Large Normal 132: Desert Mafia (Over!)

[Silver1337]

If you need loads of evidence, how do you think you'd get it?

Wait and see. Usually in the first days of D1 there's a lot of controversy.

Also, I lurk a lot. It's my playing style and doesn't indicate whether or not I'm mafia.

EDIT (ninja'd):
@Pheonix: What is fence-sitting? Sorry, I'm not familiar with many of these terms yet lol.

LOL ninja'd again by Pheonix. Stupid double posts >.<

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Vote Count

• Scott Brosius: 3 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-5
  
  Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
  Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
  Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
  Silver1337: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
  
  Not Voting: 6 (inHimshallibe, [winger], DeityKabuto, Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[mastin2]

Ah, good. I was starting to get worried, Phoenix. Seeing your name hang around for so long, I was worried it'd disappear.

Block em four times and you're subtly trying to direct Kabuto?

Nah, just remembering a game I browsed. Old, old game, at that. I believe it was a Battlestar Galactica game. Last scum claimed Gunsmith. (I think it was day gunsmith, too.) Got protected by the JK. Once, thought it was town being targeted for a kill. Twice, began to get suspicious. Third strike, they were out, and the last scum was lynched when they realized the Gunsmith was really scum.

Don't remember it that well, but that's what I do remember.

Phoenix has moved from null to town, by the way.

[Ranmaru]

Wait, did we really have a jailkeeper claim? On day one? On PAGE one? With no votes down?

I'm not sure I follow why that happened, exactly. DK, why did you feel the need to claim?

That was exactly what I thought. Seems either he claimed so that he wouldn't be pressured in the future, or he might usually be used to that in smogon type mafia or something.

@Phoenix: Eh? What do you mean? I don't know what you are talking about.

@Mastin: Ok that's fine... I don't like giving out town reads early myself but I ask because you shouldn't give out town reads so easily without reason. I look forward to WHY you have gotten the town reads.

Your first post was a joke, right?

[mastin2]

Your first post was a joke, right?

Semi. I fully intended to RVote Khan for the reasons mentioned. (Khan scum in both my previous games with him, Khan scum this game.) Now that Khan has actually proven himself scum (rather than third time's the charm), the vote remains.

My scum list there was partially serious, in that it was an educated guess.

[mastin2]

Breaking down my first post:
Gorilla town, serious.
Scum within names, it was exactly what I said: a shot in the dark. So, semi-serious.
Khan Vote--my RVote, so obviously not serious, at the time. Khan's response, on the other hand...

[mastin2]

(Hey,

just realized,

obviously planned from the start

that

means

I progressively got more jokey as the post went along! )

[Ranmaru]

Ok. Honestly I would think the scum team wouldn't be paried together, though. Since the mod would have to randomize the list. I feel as though Khan is just anti-town and not really scummy. Need more from him.

@Silver: You should ask your suspect questions then, instead of sitting around and waiting for SCUM TO SLIP per say.

[Ranmaru]

EBWOP: *Paired.

I don't think that is a valid reason for Khan scum either. It should most likely be null. It's much easier to draw town then scum as well, but that shouldn't confirm him as not scum either.

[mastin2]

Honestly I would think the scum team wouldn't be paried together, though.

That was coincidence. It wasn't that they were close together on the scumlist. It was something else, the reason it wasn't completely random.

And my reason for thinking Khan's scum isn't my RVote's reason. He's literally living breathing scum in every post, acting exactly the way I remember him as scum. The one difference is that now, I'm wiser and more experienced and know better than to fall into his trap. With a N0, this is how things go:

Spoiler: Typical Scum Dialog

Scum 1: Hi, all! *talks about experience levels* *talks about who they know and don't know*. What should be do?
Scum 2: Hi, *scum1*! *maybe gives own experience*. I know *others*, too! I think we should kill *names*. (Yes, names. Scum never select a single name alone.)
Scum 1: Sounds good to me, though I'd go with *name*.
Scum 3: *lists the people in the town* *begins to list Scum3's experience with all the names* *asks for buddies' opinions on names they didn't list as kill options*, *begins to formulate a plan for day actions*.
Scum 4: I agree. *furthers plan for day actions*. *Gives feedback on who to kill, based on their plan for dayplay*. *Thinks about who to send FOR the kill*.
Scum 1: Agreed.
Scum 2: Not quite happy about *small detail in the plan*, but otherwise, I'm fine with that.
Scum 3: Then we're in agreement.
Scum 4: Let's do this!

If you couldn't tell, I'm generally portraying Scum 1 as semi-newbish (but possibly with some experience--probably off-site, but potentially one or two games on-site), Scum 2 as relatively new but somewhat experienced, and Scums 3&4 as experienced. Khan in this situation as either 3 or 4 would essentially do what he did in Emerald City:

*If a previous scum player brought up the option of killing mastin*. "I wouldn't be afraid of him. He's a pushover if you know how to touch on his buttons. He's arrogant and has an easily exploitable ego. I've done it before. He's not a threat to us."

Why do I think this is what Khan did?

His play's scarily similar to Emerald City, for starters. But there's more to it. Like I said, I'm willing to explain in a wall, but it'd be a long wall.

[mastin2]

Also, since this game had an abnormally long night, the scum had more time to talk than normal, to better prepare themselves for the day. They knew what they were doing, and all members certainly had a chance to chime in.

[mastin2]

(And, yes, I know the mind of scum better than the mind of town, because I've been scum in an abnormally large amount of my games on Mastin. Most people average 25-33%. If I did the calculations, I believe the number for me comes closer to 40-45%. Not quite 50%, but certainly more than normal. I've also read Scum QTs in a lot of games even if I've not read the gamethread itself. Additionally, I remember reading MD guides about how scum think, and thinking, "this is spot-on". I'm very good at observing general trends. And the typical scumteam in a game like this is exactly what I said: one fairly new player, one slightly more experienced but still relatively new, at least one veteran player, and probably a second veteran player. It's obviously not something rock-solid, but it happens, like, 80% of the time, at least.)

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, learn to spell please.

This is all you had to say about me?

What was wrong with my spelling anyway?

I really don't like #98.

99 is even worse.

His play's scarily similar to Emerald City, for starters. But there's more to it. Like I said, I'm willing to explain in a wall, but it'd be a long wall.

I thought he was generally townie. I'd like an explanation.

[Ranmaru]

@Mastin:

Right. Can you compare this to his possible town games? Again, why does this make him scum and not null?

Explain what he did the last two games as scum, that he is doing here. Bring up quotes too.

You are saying Khan could possibly have been 3 or 4 in your demonstration, but that is only speculation. Of course, I hope you have some questions for him to draw reactions from.

Yes, it was long.

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

I'm not being a hypocrite.

I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.

[mastin2]

Spoiler: Numbers

688 scum
735 town
742 town
763 town
760 town
762 town
141 town
145 scum
LAL scum
779 scum
91 town
791 town
767 town
148 town
748 scum
Mean Mod town
Soul Society town.
778 town.
Boost Mafia 2 scum.
131 town.
808 town.
Stars Aligned scum.
Phables Deathnote town.
MtG Parallel town.
155 scum.
92 third party (lyncher).
96 Cerulean scum.
98 town.
804 town.

1024 scum.
Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 scum.
1048 town.
126 scum.
TWBBS town.
(Rest Ongoing.)

(Wow, 34 games. And also three or four as an alt.)

11/34 scum comes out to be 32%.

My mistake. I thought it was closer to 40, but I apparently was town more often than I remember. (If I count my Marathon games and being a lyncher as being scum, it'd boost that number up a bit, but that's a stretch.)

Again, why does this make him scum and not null?

Will come in wall. (Opening a QT for me to dump my thoughts into, so hopefully the wall will be shorter and more clear.)

Explain what he did the last two games as scum, that he is doing here. Bring up quotes too.

Was not intending to do this, but will add it in. Shouldn't be that hard to search the archives a bit. It'll delay the wall a bit (Meta wastes hours of my time when done well), but will likely be worth it.

Khan would obviously be 3 or 4 in this scenario, because Khan's one of the most experienced players here--even a lot of people present now who consider themselves vets would look up to Khan. Who here is even close to being Khan's on-site age?

[mastin2]

(For those curious, "Opening a QT for me" in this case is me essentially doing what a hydra does: keep a QT for the two heads to dump thoughts on each other. [Only, in my case, I'm dumping thoughts in there for myself.] In my experience hydra'ing with Nacho, I found this worked really well in cutting down the length of my posts and made me a far more coherent player. By duplicating this only as a solo player, I'm hoping to achieve the same result: a far more concise, clear Mastin than the one Khan remembers.)

[Ranmaru]

Ok that's fine, thank you.

Oh, I didn't look at that. : P

Interesting. Meh, I just use Microsoft word sometimes. And I am kinda scatter brained and un-organized myself. : [

[Ranmaru]

@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.

I'm not being a hypocrite.

I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.

Ok.

Why exactly are you voting Scott?
What are your reads on: Me, Mastin, Khan, Mana ku, Sky, and Phoenix?
What are your thoughts on Policy lynches?

[mastin2]

Word's inconvenient for me to use. Especially with what it does to quotation marks. The alternative is Notepad, which while handy, is a bit inconvenient for me to use, since it's harder for me to visualize what my post will look like. A QT, on the other hand, works perfectly.

[Ranmaru]

Eww notepad. : [ Sometimes I have made long posts with notepad, yet it would come out formatted wrong with extra line spaces that I wouldn't be able to backspace. So I'd then say I DON'T CARE, YOU GET LINES!

[Hiraki]

1. He's being anti-town.
2. A) Null B)Town C)Town, pending on Mastin's information D)Leaning Town E)Leaning Town F)Leaning scum
3. Bad in most cases.

[Ranmaru]

Yes, but that doesn't make him scum/scummy.
Kk.
I agree.

[mastin2]

I've begun. Already made quite some progress. Could post what I've got so far, but I still think it needs refinement, as well as research (in this case, meta).

[Ranmaru]

Good man. I look forward to it.

[Hiraki]

It kind of does.