Mini 1127 Cult vs Masons OVER. TOWN WINS

[Exe]

@AV: Your entire explanation of how you are just being "patient" reads as a cop-out to me.

[AurorusVox]

You mean deciding what to do with my vote is a cop-out?

Clearly if I think Andy is scummy due to his alliance shenanigans that lets VV off the misrep hook; if I think VV's scummy that means Andy's proposed scumminess due to the alliance is a misrep. I was trying to decide what side to come down on, and that decision was eased by Andy's "Oh I was joking (but clearly Exe wasn't!)" post.

While I decide what to do, my vote is more useful on you than on no one.

[chesskid3]

Anyone else notice CoolDog going into panic mode with 1 vote on him?
Yeah, he's scum. That's right.

[Exe]

You mean deciding what to do with my vote is a cop-out?

Clearly if I think Andy is scummy due to his alliance shenanigans that lets VV off the misrep hook; if I think VV's scummy that means Andy's proposed scumminess due to the alliance is a misrep. I was trying to decide what side to come down on, and that decision was eased by Andy's "Oh I was joking (but clearly Exe wasn't!)" post.

While I decide what to do, my vote is more useful on you than on no one.

Umm, your vote isn't even on me LOL.

[Exe]

Woops hit submit.

Your vote isn't on me.
Sounds like someone is trying so hard to pick the pro-town stance that he can't even remember what stance he picked.

Fos: AV

Would be a vote but I like the pressure on Andy.

[Andrius]

So it turns out I'm not on LA, so don't worry about it.

Oh Parama, can it really be THAT easy?

Ok I'm totally tempted to just write off ender as a bleeding VI, but... :/ FFF

@Andy: You're really not seeming like the Andy from Frenzy mafia. Can you at least comment on a player other than yourself? Because so far it seems like you're trying pretty damn hard to appear townie.

I do. Plum is high-suspect, I don't like how VV isn't all friendly but he's probably town from other recent meta that I don't care if I bring up or not. Parama is town from meta, you are confusing as fuck again.
ender is a bleeding VI, Katsuki is town and a douche for playing in all these fucking games and totally playing like shit every time.
chesskid is town and I don't see that line as anything more than him being funny. Parama voting like that is town.
Nacho is leaning town. AV is leaning scum. Cooldog is a bleeding VI too but leaning scum.

Anyone else notice CoolDog going into panic mode with 1 vote on him?
Yeah, he's scum. That's right.

You should see what happens when you vote him too.
Which is a good point. I like this idea rn.

Unvote, Vote: Cooldog

[Andrius]

And Adumbrodeus should totally post.

[AurorusVox]

You mean deciding what to do with my vote is a cop-out?

Clearly if I think Andy is scummy due to his alliance shenanigans that lets VV off the misrep hook; if I think VV's scummy that means Andy's proposed scumminess due to the alliance is a misrep. I was trying to decide what side to come down on, and that decision was eased by Andy's "Oh I was joking (but clearly Exe wasn't!)" post.

While I decide what to do, my vote is more useful on you than on no one.

Umm, your vote isn't even on me LOL.

I know that. I was explaining why I hadn't unvoted. While deciding what to do (i.e. in the situation before I voted Andy) my vote is more useful on you than on no one. That's a statement in the (persisting/perpetual) present tense because the sentiment is still true despite the condition not being fulfilled. My vote is more useful on someone (in this specific case you) than on no one.

[chesskid3]

Andrius, I was the vote on cooldog >_>

[Andrius]

Ok well then cool more pressure on him is cool regardless.
RAEG

[CooLDoG]

@chesskid, I go into "panic" mode when someone has yet to give any reason for their apparent non-rvs vote.

@exe, you wanted an alliance and now you back out and think its a bad thing. That is a contradiction.

@andy, mind responding to things instead of posting nothing? Or have you even read the game thread (evidence is the fact that you didn't know that chess voted for me)?

[CooLDoG]

Unvote

Vote: Cooldog

Just thought that I should post chesskid's full post about me. I simply asked for reasons that is all. If that is panic mode then everybody is in it right now.

[Andrius]

I am not posting "nothing", and am responding to things. Thanks for the misrep.
I HAVE read the gamethread and donb't appreciate the fucking sarcasm.
Yeah I didn't care to look to see who was the one voting you, I didn't really care so long as someone was.

[Exe]

@exe, you wanted an alliance and now you back out and think its a bad thing. That is a contradiction.

Please show me where this happened?

I'm pretty sure what

actually

happened is that I called for a Parama-Andy-Exe alliance in memory of Frenzy mafia. But then Andy betrayed me and was all "Noooo, I didn't want an alliance even though I said I did." Which was scummy. So I voted him.

Your analysis of events is shoddy. Stop misrepresenting what is actually happening.

[Andrius]

Exe: I totally didn't betray you. D:
It just happens to be pointless to form an alliance right now, especially since the cult recruiter is here throwing everything off. Wtih enough info I can form an alliance somewhere down the line, assuming I make it that far.

[Exe]

Exe: I totally didn't betray you. D:
It just happens to be pointless to form an alliance right now, especially since the cult recruiter is here throwing everything off. Wtih enough info I can form an alliance somewhere down the line, assuming I make it that far.

I understand the concept of why Alliance + cult = bad. Admittedly, my lack of cult experience made me not see it at first, but I understand the logic now and it's sound.
But you

did

still backtrack pretty hard from being like "Alliance yay!" to "Wait, but Exe wanted the alliance, not me!"

Gawd, who is more scummy? Cooldog, AV, or Andy? I can't decide.

[Andrius]

I love alliances, don't get me wrong. But alliances D1 in a cult game is ASKING for trouble. (Read: Succession Mafia. Alliance = List of who to recruit for the CR)


Add Plum to that list too plz.

[chesskid3]

don't you love cult-recruit wifom?

[ender241]

I reckon an alliance should begin Day 3 to be honest, we will have much more information at that time.

[Andrius]

I reckon an alliance should begin Day 3 to be honest, we will have much more information at that time.

I'll chock this down in the "good ideas" category.

[CooLDoG]

ANDY. PARAMA, ANDY, EXE ALLIANCE IS GO.



I don't understand the scumandy argument. Sounds like Frenzy Mafia andy to me. Never seen your scum though.

Exe posting about alliance. Seems for it.

ALLIANCE IS GO!!


My scumplay is HORRID. Lots of lurking, pushing them easy lynches; I won't bother pushing for people's lynches who are better than me without luck.

Andy posting that he wants in on it.

Alliances are led by the ovtown players, or at least generally thought-of as town. The purpose isn't to establish an ovtown club, as they'll just get killed and destroyed within a couple nights. The purpose is to establish an alliance led by ovtown with both 1) ovtown, 2) town-reads, 3) scummy players who can be controlled to a degree. The purpose of an alliance is to form a voting bloc, and once you're in the bloc you vote with the bloc. This helps because it consolidates the first two groups into a voting bloc (the inherent weakness of the town is disunity, unlike the scumbags who know who each other are). The third group is "controlled" because they will naturally WANT to seem protown and they'll go along with the ovtownies for cred. They may be scum, they may be VIs who need guidance.
Then you sit back and watch how they work. Who blindly follows every whim of the alliance? Who votes with them but still expresses dissatisfaction?

I'll bring up Frenzy Mafia for a second:

Alliance Members:
Andy - 1
Parama - 1
Exe - 2
WOMC - 2
Shotty - 3
Furcolow - 3
Pom - 2

Volo was a later addition because I read her as scum and I wanted to keep her under watch through the voting bloc. The quickhammer D1 was not sanctioned by the alliance, and she was lynched at the first opportunity. She flipped scum.

More andy posting about wanting an alliance.

I wasn't starting an alliance. AV asked about them so I told him my thoughts. Exe is the one wanting alliances.

Oh, yeah, let's just let the Cult Recruiter get killed by the potentially-non-existant mafia. Seriously though, why don't we just lynch her if we think she's C.R.?

Vas, alliances aren't inherentlly bad, especially if recruited masons can't become recruited into the cult afterwards. :/

180 baby.

Andy backpedaling about wanting the alliance is both saddening and suspicious. It's time for some mo' pressure there.

Unvote. Vote: Andrius

AV is a little more like my experience of him now. That's a bit better I guess.

Awww, so sad he won't join my buddy club.... We had a cult win going on day-1, shucks.

My conclusion is that you are correct you have always advocated an alliance. My bad I mis-read your quotes. But until your last post you seem to still be for it. Is this still the case?

[CooLDoG]

okay, now for my post about andy, you have in fact posted nothing. The only real thing you have posted is ether:

A) WOOOOOPEEEEEE! I love this game, lets make a cool kids club.

or

B) UHHH, DUDE THATS SUCH A MIS-REP. AND I'M NOT SCUM AND ALL.

All of your posts are ether reactive or about trying to form easy cult targets. You have been found out, get over it.

Wierd thing just happened, I composed my first post in another tab. Then I posted it and I closed that tab. I then used the quick reply box to post the above, and I got ninja'd by myself.

[chesskid3]

cooldog, scumgame and towngame please?

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Andrius -4- vas, cooldog, exe, auro
Cooldog - 3 - ender, chesskid, Andrius
Exe - 2 - Kat, nacho
Auro - 1 - plum
Chesskid -1- parama

Not voting: Adumbro

With 12 alive, 7 will lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, Feb 27, at 7:31 PM EST

[VasudeVa]

@mod: Prod Adumbro plx

Andy, care to explain more on your Town read on me? No need to dig up meta, I know my own meta. I wanna see if you can accurately describe it.