Who, in particular, are you willing to follow this way and what makes anyone that trustworthy this early? If ender241 seems scummy enough to pressure this way, why not vote him? This seems like a combination of ender241 and DarlaBlueEyes in one argument.Final Fires wrote:With that being said, some more experienced players whom I trust seem to be ok with you, so for now I'm holding back my vote.
Except for pointing out the discrepancy in her actions between MoreWhisky and bobsnox?brokenscraps wrote:No original thought jumping on what other people say?
I don't like the ambiguous, unsubstantiated accusation. Please clarify - with evidence.brokenscraps wrote:Don't like the low level buddying going on between some of you either.
So now all of sudden you don't have strong vibes on anybody. We went from this:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:So far I am not getting incredibly strong OMGSCUM vibes from anybody, but I have a good deal of suspicion building on Whiskey in these last few posts.Bub Bidderskins wrote:empking wrote:11. Yosarian2(2)- MoreWhiskyMod: You may want to fix that.
Darla once again shows that she is willing to point out scummy behavior but not willing to act on her observations. That non-commitant conservative play indicates scum to me.
@Darla: If you don't really think that ender is scummy, then who do you think is scummy at this point?
@ender: What was it about rekirtS' post that made you want to revote Final Fires?
I am still not happy with Whiskey's explanation - he seems to be avoiding actually answering for what he said, and completely ignored my post.
@Whiskey please answer this post: #77
Until you do,Vote Whiskey- answers please.
To this:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Though I am getting scummy vibes off that entire post, I want a little more evidence before I throw in a vote and make a bandwagon. Though [Final Fires] at the top of my list already.
To this:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:With his explanation I think I was wrong in my initial impression and Fires really is just a n00b who made a bad move, but I really see no reason to lynch him over it. Keep him on my scumdar? Yes. Lynch right away, no.
To not suspecting anybody. Except for Whiskey, who has perhaps the least suspision of all of those but got a vote. Maybe he got a vote because I called you out for not voting for people you suspect. Yes, it could just be a conservative play style, but townies have an incentive to play aggressive. They must act. The mafia are the ones who want to play conservative, so as to not look scummy early on.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Knowing what I do about Ender's META coupled with what he's done so far here, I'd say he's suffering from uber-n00b syndrome even still. That or he really just is not good at this game. Either way, I was a bit unsure whether or not to take his actions as noob or super scummy and then he re-voted seemingly only out of pressure. Now I lean more towards scum.
FoS Ender.
And I read Whisky as saying he "marked down Yos as scum" by his random vote. So he doesn't necessarily have another reason to find Yos scum because he never hinted at one. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:A. Are you claiming you set up the ender situation, or taking credit for his behavior?
B. Why have you marked Yos scum prior to your vote on him? Maybe I am misunderstandign your wording here, but if you had a case on him, why is this the first we're hearing of it? and what about him besides his vote on ender to you find scummy?
Like who? You can't just throw out comments like this! Who do you feel could be scum on his wagon? Maybe you were gonna give more if not on your phone but who do you feel is scummy on that wagon?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push.
I want to give him an opportunity to respond before placing my vote. We've still got a lot of time left for discussion, and at this point there's no benefit to me rushing a vote on him, especially when waiting could result in more information to make my decision. Also, I use the word 'trust' loosely. I 'trust' the people who I feel like I at least have somewhat of a read on as town. For example, I'm a lot more 'trusting' of your posts, then say, Ender's. However, that doesn't mean that I know that you're town or that ender is scum - it's just suspicion. So if some of the players who I 'trust' seem to think Ender is a town, I wanted a little bit more time to collect info and think about it before I place my vote on him.DLG wrote:Who, in particular, are you willing to follow this way and what makes anyone that trustworthy this early? If ender241 seems scummy enough to pressure this way, why not vote him? This seems like a combination of ender241 and DarlaBlueEyes in one argument.
Under this logic it seems like it makes more sense to vote Albert or Nikanor (or maybe even Bob). Darla has at least contributed towards the discussion, which in my opinion is much more aggressive than just voting while not adding much to the discussion.Bub Bidderskins wrote: Yes, it could just be a conservative play style, but townies have an incentive to play aggressive. They must act. The mafia are the ones who want to play conservative, so as to not look scummy early on.
I went through ender's games earlier, and I saw one where he was scum. It seems like as a mafia his posts are much more 'fluff' and he tries to divert the conversation away from serious matters (although I only looked at a few of his posts). I used to be pretty confident he was scum, but now I'm not so sure; his gameplay in this thread seems to align more with how he plays town. He still does have some questions to answer, and in my opinion is still a viable vote, but it seems Darla was right on his meta. I'm keeping him on my scumdar, but I'm not as confident in my earlier conviction that he was scum.Jahudo wrote:@ender: do you have a finished scum game on this site?
DLG wrote:I don't like the ambiguous, unsubstantiated accusation. Please clarify - with evidence.
No need to post this if you're just finding DBE scummy, especially since reskirtS was at this stage purely on Bud's track. Looks like you A) wouldn't have voted DBE if they weren't voting her and B) are using unneeded flattery.DLG wrote:I think Bub Bidderskins and rekirtS are on the right track.
Just sounds dirty.reskirtS wrote:Townie points for you, at first I was a little suspicious of you but I've found myself agreeing with these last two points. DarlaBlueEyes was definately wishy woshy.
Jahudo wrote:I said I was waiting for her to react to Whisky's latest post as a reason I wouldn't push my case any further yet. And as far as I can tell its an original thought, so no hopping on other people's reasons either.
Jahudo & DLG get off for no new thoughts (still don't like Jahudo's comments on waiting for DBE). reskirtS doesn't.DLG wrote:Except for pointing out the discrepancy in her actions between MoreWhisky and bobsnox?
bobsnox is a real nowhere man, intentionally unreadable anti-comments plus finally a real gem for being able to leap one way or another, whichever way the wagon blows.bobsnox wrote:Now I'm much more interested in lynching ender or Darla. I could go for either.
You change your mind quickly, first it was "yeah that's his meta", not someone has said something about it quick mind change onto thinking i'm scum...DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Knowing what I do about Ender's META coupled with what he's done so far here, I'd say he's suffering from uber-n00b syndrome even still. That or he really just is not good at this game. Either way, I was a bit unsure whether or not to take his actions as noob or super scummy and then he re-voted seemingly only out of pressure. Now I lean more towards scum.
FoS Ender.
One of these Nikanor, one of these days, you are going to actually post some real content, and when that day comes I'm going to jump for joy, but in the meantime...Nikanor wrote:I voted for Jahudo because he's such a cool guy! DLG gets scumpoints for pointing out my lurking.
Unvote.
Striker's posting isn't making me feel too good.
Vote: rekirtS.
DarlaBlueEyes wrote:sorry guys on phone here, gonna try to get to what I can see
@DLG - My stance on ender is simply Meta. The other game we participated in he acted exactly the same, blatant scum moves, and ended up we killed our doc due to other factors which I don't want to elaborate on due to the game being on going. If you want to see it yourself it's Newbie #1045. I am not disregarding his actions but I know this is how he plays as town, and granted I haven't seen him as scum either, I honestly just see him as a n00b and do not like his wagon. My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push. As for Fires I don't know, I just get a noob vibes off him. Between he and ender I'd be more inclined to do an ender lynch, but again, I would need something more blatant from him to make me think he wasn't actually town given the meta I have.
Whiskey - thank you for elaborating and to everyone jumping on me for using a vote to get that answer out of him, pardon me if I felt that something needed to be done to get his attention since he ignored me twice
unvote
I am still not sure what Whiskey sees as so scummy about Yos, and not Bob / Jahudo who're also on the ender wagon, but it's worthy of a look back at Yos' posts for me. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not, (although it'd be helpful if he articulated it more clearly if he is town.)
Right now I'd like to see more from Albie. So far his posts have been primarily fluff, o/t or one or two lines.
more coming when i am not on my phone. and apologies if autocorrect did anything wonky in this post, no time to check it.
My comment was intended to acknowledge that I agreed with them and to try to engender more support for the DarlaBlueEyes wagon. Agreeing with other players is not flattery. My vote is mine, and mine alone. I will place it where and when I see fit.brokenscraps wrote:No need to post this if you're just finding DBE scummy, especially since reskirtS was at this stage purely on Bud's track. Looks like you A) wouldn't have voted DBE if they weren't voting her and B) are using unneeded flattery.DLG wrote: I think Bub Bidderskins and rekirtS are on the right track.
That is buddying. What I wrote is not.Nikanor wrote:Don't worry Fires. I believe you.
rekirtS wrote:Like who? You can't just throw out comments like this! Who do you feel could be scum on his wagon? Maybe you were gonna give more if not on your phone but who do you feel is scummy on that wagon?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push.
Furthermore the only person who you do name as suspicious is Albie, who wasn't even on the ender lynch! (not that I disagree he needs to post more material).
Okay, seriously I don't understand this post. Maybe it's just a communication problem here but why exactly is it usually okay to question another player's actions (scum hunting) but when I do it it's simply deflecting? Please prove this to me. Point it out if you're going to make such grand accusations. If you want people to sheep your opinion or bandwagon on me or any other lynch canidate you have got to make a better case than that.MoreWhisky wrote:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:sorry guys on phone here, gonna try to get to what I can see
@DLG - My stance on ender is simply Meta. The other game we participated in he acted exactly the same, blatant scum moves, and ended up we killed our doc due to other factors which I don't want to elaborate on due to the game being on going. If you want to see it yourself it's Newbie #1045. I am not disregarding his actions but I know this is how he plays as town, and granted I haven't seen him as scum either, I honestly just see him as a n00b and do not like his wagon. My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push. As for Fires I don't know, I just get a noob vibes off him. Between he and ender I'd be more inclined to do an ender lynch, but again, I would need something more blatant from him to make me think he wasn't actually town given the meta I have.
Whiskey - thank you for elaborating and to everyone jumping on me for using a vote to get that answer out of him, pardon me if I felt that something needed to be done to get his attention since he ignored me twice
unvote
I am still not sure what Whiskey sees as so scummy about Yos, and not Bob / Jahudo who're also on the ender wagon, but it's worthy of a look back at Yos' posts for me. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not, (although it'd be helpful if he articulated it more clearly if he is town.)
Right now I'd like to see more from Albie. So far his posts have been primarily fluff, o/t or one or two lines.
more coming when i am not on my phone. and apologies if autocorrect did anything wonky in this post, no time to check it.
I really dont like this post you seem to be all over that place finding someone to pin the scum tag on. I also dont like how u ask someone a question about there actions on other players, normally this is sort of ok but here im sure this is another tactic to deflect the chat from you.
And whats all this phone business? we all have stuff to do. have some more time on the phonevote Darla
He mentions 3 people, and then votes rekirts after not mentioning him at all? wtf?Nikanor wrote:I voted for Jahudo because he's such a cool guy! DLG gets scumpoints for pointing out my lurking.
Unvote.
Striker's posting isn't making me feel too good.
Vote: rekirtS.
Yes, plenty of time is left. However, I disagree with you about the value of a vote. Votes => pressure => defense => better reads. The unvote option is available for a reason, seems to me. This is a simplified model of how my read on you evolved.Final Fires wrote:We've still got a lot of time left for discussion, and at this point there's no benefit to me rushing a vote on him, especially when waiting could result in more information to make my decision.
How can he OMGUSsing you if you didn't vote him and in fact were leaning more town in your read of him? That reads like a false attack to try to make ender241 look scummier to everyone else.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:@ender is that an OMGUS I see? I think it is. If you read what I said I wasn't calling you scum I said I was leaning towards scummy more than noob town after I saw you revote out of pressure. I still was not convinced enough to vote you however. It's a contextual thing, maybe I should have made that more clear. However the more you do these obvscum things, the less I feel like I can validate my lack of a vote on you based solely on meta.keep it up and I will vote you meta or not.DLG bolding