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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:52 pm
by SharkFinn
bvoigt wrote:Why do you say there are two scum remaining?
Assuming that EPM's mafia are gone and no SK, we have 2 left. >_>. If it's one, we're ok. if its 2, then its basically lylo. It cant be 3.

Scumdar ping is noted by your question.
don_johnson wrote:
shark wrote:I was about to call Don out on not being mason (seeing a lack of connection between him and chk/DRK), but I am mistaken. Don is mason imo.
what changed your mind? drk left an extemely convoluted breadcrumb, if you picked up on it i will send you a dollar.
When DRK died, you mourned his death, saying he had his stuff together. I figured that was a crumb. Ill look for the other crumb, you mentioned.

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:28 pm
by DemonHybrid
3 Eastern and 2 western are dead....so, how do you figure 2 left?

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:29 pm
by DemonHybrid
After this, by the way, I'm okay with a bvoigt or iamausername lynch. I don't think scum would make that mistake.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:05 am
by iamausername
Can we not lynch me for being V/LA? Something which is sitewide and therefore obviously has nothing to do with my alignment? Thanks.

Now, as it happens, I actually do have access this week that I didn't think I would, hence this post. bvoigt's explanation for Empking's continued survival makes total sense, so I will assume it is the right one, absent any better theories. SharkFinn is still a possible scum candidate.

Working on a reread now.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:06 am
by iamausername
Oh yeah, and I'm vanilla.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:06 am
by Empking
iamausername wrote:Can we not lynch me for being V/LA? Something which is sitewide and therefore obviously has nothing to do with my alignment? Thanks.

Now, as it happens, I actually do have access this week that I didn't think I would, hence this post. bvoigt's explanation for Empking's continued survival makes total sense, so I will assume it is the right one, absent any better theories. SharkFinn is still a possible scum candidate.

Working on a reread now.
Claim.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:05 am
by SharkFinn
DemonHybrid wrote:3 Eastern and 2 western are dead....so, how do you figure 2 left?
OOOPS! Miscounted >_>.

Yea okay, only 1 scum left. My bad.

Well. in that case, still think Iam is best lynch.

and remove the previous statement made to bvigot.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:07 am
by SharkFinn
iamausername wrote:Oh yeah, and I'm vanilla.
Empking: ^

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:45 am
by Empking
SharkFinn wrote:
iamausername wrote:Oh yeah, and I'm vanilla.
Empking: ^
SWame minute. Must've been when I clicked reply.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:33 am
by don_johnson
it happens.

vote: iamusername

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:55 am
by bvoigt
I'm a Town Townie (vanilla).
DemonHybrid wrote:I don't think scum would make that mistake.
True...Shark's mistake probably is a towntell. So, is it DH or iam?

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:53 pm
by SharkFinn
Vote Iam


Ill pass the hammer on to someone else. 3 of 6 scum is good enough for me. XD

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:58 pm
by bvoigt
VOTE: DemonHybrid

I'm not sure how to explain it, but I'd prefer this lynch over iamausername. DH, did you ever explain why you needed to know Guderian's role at the beginning of D2?

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:44 pm
by DemonHybrid
For this very situation. I'm very into balance and PR speculation and it has saved my ass plenty of times.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:21 pm
by iamausername
Post #117: Ross is oddly concerned about an unexplained vote on Untrod Tripod. Note that he did not show the same concern when, for example, nhammen voted ender without explanation.

Post #145: Ross then proceeds to make an unexplained vote himself, as well as completely ignoring me asking him to consider for himself why I might be voting for UT. I think this is ample evidence that Ross has no actual problem with unexplained votes in general, which suggests to me that it must be the fact that I voted UT specifically that he had a problem with.

Post #178: Weird how Ross is the only name in bvoigt's "Not Sure" list that gets any notes. Almost like he felt Ross really belonged in the scumlist, but didn't want to bus.

Post #180 (et al): Really don't see this hydra argument happening between scumbuddies. I remember someone else suggesting it was contrived in order to distance from each other without anything game relevant, but I don't see it that way. The way Calcifer acquiesces to DH's demands strike me as trying to appease a townie he wanted to keep on side.

Post #233: Westerns killed DGB N1, and I doubt they were intending to hit Eastern. They killed DGB because they thought she was a threat, perhaps because two of their three members agreed that she was clearly town-looking?

Post #360: FoS buddy, vote townie, what a tell. Especially when it is literally the only time in the entire game that Calcifer actually uses a FoS.

Post #370: But then Calcifer calls UT "a valid vote", and yet never ever pursues him in any way. Hmm.

Post #371: Winking emoticon scumtell. :wink:

Post #380: bvoigt gives up on his tyler vote rather too easily, I think.

Post #389: No mention of either bvoigt or UT in Battle Mage's replacing in posts, so that's no help.

Post #420: DRK had bvoigt as a top suspect, and was one of the only people to do so. This could be the cause of his death.

Post #431: bvoigt posts a pretty baseless suggestion that "most of the scum are lurking". Note that Calcifer was maybe the most active player in the game.

Post #437: bvoigt not actually caring who gets lynched.

Post #489: bvoigt kicks off D3 by hunting exclusively for Eastern mafia.

Post #496: This made me lol. But Shark's series of posts there, while very wrong, as exemplified by this one, do read as town to me.

Post #527: Calcifer makes a couple of long-ass posts setting up Parama/bvoigt as the Western team, and votes Parama at the end of it, leaving him free to dissolve his suspicion on bvoigt when his Parama case turned out wrong. I don't think this implicates bvoigt particularly in itself, but it certainly doesn't clear him.

Post #532: In retrospect, I wish you hadn't made this vote, Empking. There could have been useful info in seeing whether the lynch landed on Calcifer or Parama after your claim, and how that came about, but this really decided things right away.

Post #585: While everyone else is content to just vote Calcifer without further comment, bvoigt is already trying to set up future mislynches.

Post #593: I still think that paying any attention to what outed scum are saying and using that to clear people is a terrible idea, and I don't understand how it's supposed to be scummy to point that out. But I also think that DH wouldn't be this quick to clear people if he was scum.

Post #622: Yeah, I think if Shark was faking the belief that there were two scum remaining, he'd have made a much bigger deal about it. Definitely seems like an honest mistake, and obviously not one that scum would make.

Post #637: Final nail in the coffin. bvoigt playing the long game because he knows he needs to get two mislynches to win, so he's looking to keep me around for tomorrow.

VOTE: bvoigt

Lynch me first if you must, but bvoigt is your last scum. My final request is a bvoigt lynch tomorrow.

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:15 pm
by Empking
Vote: Bvoigt

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:39 am
by don_johnson
unvote, vote: bvoigt


iam's case has a lot of words...

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:50 am
by SharkFinn
Unvote, Vote bvoigt


Another hammer by me again. iam just saved his ass another night (if any).

Also
Haylen: could you not make the night so long since its down to essentially 5p (if we have a night)?


We'll see...~ Hayl

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:23 am
by DemonHybrid
Unvote, Vote: bvoigt
to make my intentions clear and just in case I'm miscounting the votecount. Mainly because of this:
Lynch me first if you must, but bvoigt is your last scum. My final request is a bvoigt lynch tomorrow.

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:49 am
by Haylen
VOTE COUNT!

Iamusername: DemonHybrid
DemonHybrid: Bvoigt
Bvoigt: Iamusername, Empking, Don_Johnson, Sharkie

How many votes to lynch?
4
When is deadline?
Wednesday 2nd March, 9pm GMT time.


Bvoigt - Town Townie was Lynched Day Five


It is now Night Five. Deadline is set for Sunday 20th February at 9pm. GMT time.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:14 pm
by Haylen
Empking - Town Cop - Killed Night Five.


It is now Day Six, deadline is Sunday 6th March 9pm GMT time. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:08 pm
by don_johnson
ok.

here's how its going down.

noone votes. i am going to reread this entire thread. i will post my thoughts. none of you should speak until then. we may end up no lynching unless i can find the final scum. pretty sure we're looking at iam. but i want a full read first.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:16 pm
by DemonHybrid
No reason to no lynch. You are confirmed town, and you'd just die.

I'm looking at Shark.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:17 pm
by DemonHybrid
Sorry for breaking the silence, but just pointing out something before your ISO. Go ahead.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:23 pm
by don_johnson
to be clear, we're looking for third party to calcifer/battlemage, correct? its going to be a bitch keeping replacements straight. its probably going to take me a while to get a whole reread done, so if you guys all want to lynch, then feel free to discuss. just no votes.