PYP 4: New Homes, Same Problems (Day 5)

[slowsilver]

There is something in the people voting Guderian IMO, but there isn't enough for certainty (although I guess there never is in Mafia)

[slowsilver]

Not Gambler's Fallacy so much as trying to eliminate the opposition

[LlamaFluff]

Not Gambler's Fallacy so much as trying to eliminate the opposition

Its gamblers fallacy unless you are saying you

know

that he is town. You are assuming completely ignoring the chance of him being scum defaulting that he picked first so has to be scum.

[slowsilver]

Oh i see what you mean, in which case yes it is Gambler's fallacy

[Pomegranate]

If you really need my vitally important opinion then Llama isn't scum, I think that it IS a scum tell voting Guderian, and I already said that I had no tell on the last one.

But as I say, there just isn't enough to go on yet.

Wait, so:

1. We're out of RVS, but-
2. You don't really have any opinions yet, except-
3. You have some opinions if we "really need" them, but no matter what-
4. "There just isn't enough to go on", so they don't count enough to to tie you down ever.

I think that there's enough for me to go on.

VOTE: slowsilver.

[gandalf5166]

Oh wow. Pretty much what Pom said.

VOTE: slowsilver

[LlamaFluff]

Yeah Pom just jumped the gun to what I was getting to. His one case is the vote on IAU for the "joke-fishing" thing, everything else is too early to tell except for that people voting for Guardian must be scum because for whatever reason Guard must be town as he picked first. He just is on a weak point, a logical fallacy and possibly even a slip, and fence sitting everything else he can find. Also the fence on me, and when I challenged it he suddenly came to the conclusion that I was town.

[Fate]

We don't need this D1 wagon on slowsliver mcMisLynch Fodder, we're better than this.

Guderian votes, make them happen.

Hoopla is most likely a scumbuddy.

[Parama]

Jack is scum
Andy is town
Hoopla is town
DGB is town
xvart is town
IAAUN is scum
Pome is town

Jack is still scummier IMO.

[Fate]

If Iaun is scum he's exploiting sliver to direct the lynch away from GUDERIAN.

Move your vote accordingly Parama.

[Parama]

Jack is also exploiting silver to direct the lynch away from Guderian. Except he's doing it without words.
But yeah I guess
Jack is scum
Andy is town
Hoopla is town
DGB is town
xvart is town
IAAUN is scum
Pome is town
Guderian is scum

[PranaDevil]

Much as I don't like defending people... thus far Jack's play is a null tell for me. I've literally just finished a game with him and Vollkan (me and Vollkan as scum in fact) and Jack's play seems pretty much the same as it did there to me.

Not saying he isn't scum, but at the moment he's done nothing out of the ordinary for Jack so far.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Iaun is scum he's exploiting sliver to direct the lynch away from GUDERIAN.

Yeah, this is scum gunning for the low-hanging fruit (hey, FRUIT, again!!!).

[Guderian]

Happy thanksgiving all! Great day with the family.

Fate, im not sure what you're trying to pull, and you can drop the aggressive act. Do you think you appear town by trying to be aggressive and getting your name out there a lot? Its annoying.

parama, that's quite a list you've got there.

hoopla, what was the point of the questions? More importantly, why was it paramount that only people who haven't played this setup answer them?

[Fate]

parama, that's quite a list you've got there.

I present to you, mindless masses, BONIFIED SCUM.

I'm not trying to appear anything, I'm trying to get scum lynched. That's what SpyreX told me to do anyway.

[Guderian]

bwuh?

are you always this abrasive? I cant tell if youre kidding or not.

If youre trying to get scum lynched, maybe you should vote yourself, instead of me? Just a thought.

How about a FATE case on you?

1. the second letter of your name is an a
2. the second letter of mafia is an a
3. YOUR SCUM SPAM SPAM SPAM

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Guderian

Okay, 3 scum down 3 to go

[Parama]

Or wait it'd be 2 to go right? (there's 5 scum right?)

[Fate]

bwuh?

are you always this abrasive? I cant tell if youre kidding or not.

If youre trying to get scum lynched, maybe you should vote yourself, instead of me? Just a thought.

How about a FATE case on you?

1. the second letter of your name is an a
2. the second letter of mafia is an a
3. YOUR SCUM SPAM SPAM SPAM

LLLLLLLLLAHAAHAHAHOLAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


oh

OH MAN

oh mannn

[Pomegranate]

bwuh?

are you always this abrasive? I cant tell if youre kidding or not.

If youre trying to get scum lynched, maybe you should vote yourself, instead of me? Just a thought.

How about a FATE case on you?

1. the second letter of your name is an a
2. the second letter of mafia is an a
3. YOUR SCUM SPAM SPAM SPAM

He could be scum.

But when I have something solid on SS, and something not so strong on Guderian, I vote SS.

[xvart]

(by the way, what was the point of the fruit vendor? it seems to do nothing)

a. it's fun.
b. it's a trackable role.

What makes that worthy of a vote?

Well... the game is called Pick you Power. The novelty of this game is that you get to... wait for it... pick your power. Someone who signed up for pick your power and

wanted

to be at the bottom of the list signed up for the wrong game. Either that, or has other motives; and by other motives I mean

scum

motives. Seriously, did anyone in this game want to be the last to pick their role?

Pomegranate is town!

Scum can't not submit a role?

He probably just didn't want to be a target which he would be if he was higher up - unless he is scum in which case he is trying to cover up his mistake with LIES and even worse ACCEPTANCE.

Nice fence sitting, but I'll respond the portion where you assume he is town. There is a term that gets used with people that want to avoid suspicion: Scum.

xvart and Fate are the most active vote-wise - with 2 votes each, which isn't really enough to tell anything yet seeing as we are only just coming out of RVS.

So why make this comment if you can't tell anything from it? Are you just hoping that someone else will pick up this subtle suspicion and run with it?

As for the other tell/not tell it is only writing from an objective viewpoint at this point - we don't have enough to go on yet. Why bother to write it down then? So that we can refer back to it later at a future date.

So you are hoping something that is irrelevant now will become relevant later?

There is something in the people voting Guderian IMO, but there isn't enough for certainty (although I guess there never is in Mafia)

Yes, you said the something in the people voting Guderian was jealousy. Is jealousy a legitimate scumtell?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slowsilver

I'd be happy with a lynch of llama or slowsilver. Llama's not so subtle bus is... not so subtle.

xvart.

[Fate]

Oh xvart. I had such high hopes for you fellow survivor buddy.

How could you.... how...could you...

[iamausername]

Hmm

VOTE: iamausername

Role-fishing isn't good, role-jesting is fine in my books. You're just trying to pass it off as something else.

I wasn't actually voting you for rolefishing.
Let me narrow it down for you:

Do you think Guderian chose Vanilla just to

screw with our heads

?

Do you think Guderian chose Vanilla just to screw with

our

heads?

Things that don't make sense:
Town Guderian doing anything to screw with town players' heads
Scum Guderian choosing Vanilla to screw with anyone's head

Logical conclusion:
The 'our' in the quoted sentence means 'we, the scum team'.

Well... the game is called Pick you Power. The novelty of this game is that you get to... wait for it... pick your power. Someone who signed up for pick your power and wanted to be at the bottom of the list signed up for the wrong game.

Either that, or has other motives; and by other motives I mean scum motives.

Seriously, did anyone in this game want to be the last to pick their role?

Please elaborate on the bolded. What scum motives? Why would scum want to be lower on the list any more than town?

Also

Pomegranate is town!

Scum can't not submit a role?

Unvote

VOTE: xvart

^ If you're looking for scum on the slowsilver wagon, it's here, btw.

Not seeing the Grunedia case. He looks just as much of a low-hanging fruit as slowsilver to me.

[Fate]

oh THATS the case on SS, phrasing. Meh maybe not as bad as I thought.

Looks like this is going to be one of those "more scum reads than possible" sort of games as opposed to "too many town reads"

Good thing we have bullets. Yes, WE.

Replace Iam with xvart and I think we're G2G.

Also look closer at the germandia case. Pay attention to

who he's voting for

in his most recent post about me being scum.

[iamausername]

Pay attention to

who he's voting for

Oh

right

. Good point.

I still like the xvart vote better though.