Mini 1085: Higurashi Mafia Game Over!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll get us going with some questions:

1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

My own answers:

1. This is my 8th game, the 2nd one on this site.
2. Depends. Lying is generally anti-town but I've seen a few games were a town lie helped the town.
3. No. Inactivity rarely determines alignment (but "active lurking" is a different story. When someone hangs around the thread alot but never posts any real content, this is a scumtell.)
4. I find that fake-scumhunting and suggesting a new lynch target doesn't work that well, it's usually seen as deflecting. I find alot of it is attitude, getting angry instead of depressed, providing a reasonable explanation for your behavior, and just voting for the next best lynch most of the time (that might be seen as scummy, but really thats would I would do as town. Town would rather lynch an unknown than a confirmed town (themselves).
5. Examples of when I would hammer are: a. When I am positive they are scum b. when it's not LyLo and they are the scummiest of the only viable lynch options

1. Dunno. X_X
2. No.
3. Not quite.
4. Uh... At L-1? Shift the blame on to Someone else? Maybe someone who had lied or lurked
5. L-1. Claim. Believe? Y/N. If N, hammer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask why CityofA's is doing this though? It's not particularly useful evidence.

[Carrotcake]

The questions are role-indepenent. So it seems to be more of a getting-to-know-you more than anything.

[Carrotcake]

role-independent; you will answer it the same way regardless of your role.

[UncertainKitten]

Dammit SpyreX, why you gotta be so awesome and ask Andrew the questions I wanted to ask?


1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
Over 9000. This may not actually be an exaggeration (though it probably is. But a lot, be rest assured)

2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
As with any "all" thing, I feel that the situation must always be checked with regard to scum intent. However, a *lot* of lies are done with scum intent, so I'm likely to lynch a liar unless the action does NOT benefit scum.

3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
Again with the "all" thing. Lurkers are particularly difficult. But I've been burned often enough by NOT lynching lurkers that I think it can be a viable strategy and would probably go with it if it was presented.

4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
Fakeclaim. Usually something in line with whoever I *actually* targetted if I happen to have a role as scum. That sort of thing. I can usually buy a day with that. And if that doesn't work tell town how stupid they are for a page or two until I'm hammered.

5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

ALWAYS! They're at L-1 for a reason. (Though admittedly I'll wait for hanging discussion threads to end as well as anticipate a claim)

@LadyLambdaDelta: It's quite helpful for me, actually. Are you worried about saying something you...might not have intended to ^-^?

[Zodiark13]

I'll get us going with some questions:

1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

Ok, first off;

Vote: CityofAs

I am vehemently opposed to RQS as a replacement to RVS. The first NG I IC'd was abandoned because of it. Now, my answers.

1. As said, enough to be an IC.
2. Ok, the link would be good in a NG, but, dude, this is a Mini Theme. The link makes you look condecending to me. And yes, I do agree. Scum lie all the time, and a lying townie will be pegged as scum, and deserves to be lynched as such, weather or not he even is.
3. No. Lurkers should be replaced.
4. If I am scum in this game, it would be my first time as scum, therefore, I can't really answer.
5. After the claim, although, I rarely take the claim into consideration myself. If a person claims cop at L-1, either they're scum falseclaiming, or a liability to the town if their claim is genuine.

[SpyreX]

Ohhh andrewchan you better gets back in.

That said: You vote it, you say you're opposed to it... then you answer it. FAH

And this whole coddle lurkers business needs to be carved out with fire.

[TheLonging]

All of those questions are bad but a couple, so I'll answer the couple questions.

1: 10 to 15 or something like that. vast majority are offsite
2: no.

[TheLonging]

basically what zod said though, I hate RQS even more than RVS, and that's worth something. I never participate in them, except when good questions come up, hence, I answered 1 and 2.

[UncertainKitten]

@Longing: Why are they terrible? Elaboration, my friend.

[Exilon]

omg what is SpyreX doing here.

I'll get us going with some questions:

1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

1. I lost count, almost 9-10 now? Wow, now that I look at it, I've played a few.
2. Only stupid liars who are scum.
3. I agree with 'Deal with All Lurkers', which might or might not be done via lynching.
4. I'd fakeclaim an awesome fakeclaim.
5. When there is consensus, and I'm threatening the hammer for a while.

TA-DAA RQS HELPED US FIND SCUM!

VOTE: Drench OBV.

[andrew94]

Yo yo andrewski: How would that 1.) wifom and/or 2.) "trap" people? Serious question.

because you might say 'lynch all liers' and you later decide that he might be town for lying. you cant go back on your word without someone saying 'omg u lying'

as for wifom, its question 4

[TheLonging]

because in general UK, RQS is terrible. 5 I would assume would be the same for pretty much everyone, 4 is wifom, and 3 would be the same, I just don't assume a few people here think it's rational to go after ALL lurkers

[SpyreX]

[quote]because in general UK, RQS is terrible. 5 I would assume would be the same for pretty much everyone, 4 is wifom, and 3 would be the same, I just don't assume a few people here think it's rational to

go after ALL lurkers[/

quote]

Hi.

Every time.

WIFOM is overrated and ESPECIALLY with this because its not about the answer itself but the answering.

And me? Unless I'm p sure of town I'll throw down the hammer. Sometimes I don't even wait for a claim.

I've got issues with my bloodlust.

My sweet sweet bloodlust.

[UncertainKitten]

5, not necessarily.

4, you clearly don't understand the question.

3, it actually is pretty fucking rational, especially when people don't do it. Time and time again the active people get mislynched because they are *out there*, and the lurker scum goes by unmolested.

I find it VERY interesting how worried andrew is about being "trapped"

[SpyreX]

I'm still hashing that one out. I can't decide if its genuine or if he's pulling a Kaiser Soze on me.

[UncertainKitten]

Kaiser Soze?

[SpyreX]

Ooooouuuuu

The Usual Suspects. I can't really say more but lets just leave it at it fits really well with what I'm millin' about.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The questions are role-indepenent. So it seems to be more of a getting-to-know-you more than anything.

This, more than anything, explains why we get so little from this? The answers you post, may not be how you play. If you go back to this later in the game and say "You said NO to Lynch all Liars question, yet you are insistant on lynching Liar A, even though he explained why he lied! That's a contradiction!" etc.

It doesn't work like that. My opinion on these questions is just one of a general view point. It's not what I would use in every situation, regardless of my allignment. Just because I say "No" in the questions, doesn't mean I won't do it for other reasons later on.

My point being, succinctly, that using this as evidence is rather pointless. And if we can't use it as evidence, we're wasting our time on it.

[Exilon]

I still think crap-traps are a way to go.
Speaking of which, let's discuss flavour. What do you think?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm thinking that Miyo Takano is obv scum, if she's around, she's a scum.

I have a feeling Hanyuu and Rika are lovers. If one dies, so does other etc.

I'd hate to see Rika die... She's probably like "baker" role. 2 days after her death, town loses, unless all scum are dead.

I'm thinking Dr. Irie and Detective Ooishi are probs players.

Shion's probably a vig.

Satoko lays traps... Maybe a PGO?

The problem is... I can give a power for all these roles... But none can be confirmed inno except Rika and Hanyuu. That's an immediate inno claim.

I have a feeling that at least ONE of Keiichi/Shion/Mion is a scum.

Satoshi is probably in the game... And Satoko might be reflexive scum, dependant on Satoshi's death.

Actually, Shion is probably reflexive scum based off Satoshi's death.

Should I continue? None of this is really useful. It's just speculation, but I'm willing to share my specs with those who ask...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Note that Rena said in her opening post that she could be scum. If this is bastard, I wouldn't rule it out. It's Rena Ryuguu after all xD

[UncertainKitten]

Hi. You did not seriously just flavor spec connecting things to roles, Lady. You did NOT just do that. I refuse to believe that anyone would do anything that silly.

No. Fricken. Flavor Spec. It's a terrible, TERRIBLE fucking idea.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh... What difference will it make asking as players keep their role names hidden?

It might actually help give us an idea of what kind of setup we can expect to have.

But, in any case, I'll refrain if you wish.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-sigh-

Nevermind... That was stupid.

Sorry.