Mini 1064 - Charlie's Town (Game Over!)

[masfloohinev]

q21:

2. No. I'm not making stuff up. I interprated post 79 as him saying he hadn't read my post. I was right: He voted me in post 68 for something concerning post 61. Then, in post 79 he switches his vote to Shotty based on posts 61 and 63. Either he contradicted himself, or he had voted me without originally reading post 61. I brought up 85, because I thought it helped prove my point. I don't see what the problem is.

3. Okay, we seem to sort of agree on this. I don't see why I am getting blame for the bandwagon that was pushed by jmurph and RichardGHP.

[Charlie]

Vote count 3

RichardGHP (3) - Shotty to the Body, Casus Belli, FakeGod
masfloohinev (3) - Reckamonic, Substrike22, Cogito Ergo Sum
Shotty to the Body (3) - jmurph3, SpyreX, Nachomamma8
FakeGod (1) - masfloohinev
jmurph3 (1) - q21

Not voting: RichardGHP
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[q21]

Ok, so having read over everything, including some walls of text that, for being 7 pages into D1, make my eyes bleed, I am inclined to say that at least one of Shotty vs. masfloovinev is scum. There is naturally potential that they're both scum, though I'm less inclined to believe it. On a pureply gut level, I think that mas is at this point more likely to be scum. His reactions seem a bit over the top to be purely town. Part of this comes simply from the fact that I know Shotty's playstyle better, but every time someone shuts down one of mas's arguments, he seems to get more and more agitated. The only motivation that I can see for this is cornered scum.

FoS: Masfloovinev

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I'd like to point out a direct contradiction at this point. Here you state that you feel that Mas is scummier than Shotty - despite the fact that you claim the reason is purely gut, you do actually give a half-decent reason for viewing Mas as scummier. My problem arises from the fact that you only FoS Mas and you leave your vote sitting right where it was: Shotty.

Here's the thing: Mas's playstyle is very reactionary at this point. If I switch my vote to him, OMG, he reacts in an angry fashion. There'd be no difference in his reaction than what he's done before and probably nothing that we would learn from it. So instead, I left my vote where it is because I think it's much more interesting to note the connection between you and Shotty, and something that I would prefer to explore more before I move my vote elsewhere, especially since my read on mas is a gut-read, and I don't typically hold much with my gut.

The fact remains that stating that person A is scummier than person B but not changing your vote from A to B is a direct contradiction.

q21 tries to distance himself, but within the same post, fails to do so:

Please explain, I don't recall trying to distance from anything.
As for how closely Shotty and I are playing at this point - the possibility of Shotty buddying up has occurred to me, but I'm incline to believe that we're a pair of townies who have been linked by mas's reasonless vote on one and then an immediate jump to a reasonless vote on the other.

If you read the quote that I have immediately following, you would see that you speak against Shotty (in a flimsy sense) and then go on in the same post to parrot him again. That was what I meant by distancing.

Actually, that quote is me speaking against Mas and later me again speaking against Mas - the second time around making a point which, if anything, Shotty parroted, not me.

This time around Richard gets a pass based on the fact that self defense is perfectly reasonable from town on page 2, that leaves jmurph and Spyrex. Given this point and the contradiction pointed out at the top of this post I think I like my jmurph vote very much.

The problem that I have with this argument that you and some others are making is that you're assuming that the counterwagon must be a scumteam trying to protect one of their own. This to me does not have to be the case. I'm not denying the possibility, since I can only speak from my own perspective, but when I come into the game, about to make my first vote in RVS, and I see an L-2 wagon on page 2, I get a little nervous about that. At least two players (Spyrex and Nachomamma - might've been one more that I missed) hadn't posted yet either, and putting someone at L-1 on page 2 when opportunistic scum could easily end the day just seems silly to me. Instead, going after the prime player on the first wagon is a great way to gauge reactions. My point is that you're only looking at the counter-wagon as if it has scum motivations, and this seems a little short-sighted to me.

I'm not assuming that it

must

be a scumteam trying to protect one of their own, I allowing for the possibility that it

could

be a scumteam trying to protect one of there own and deciding that this early on Day 1 that possibility is as good a lead to look into as any other.

[masfloohinev]

q21, what do you think of FakeGod and SpyreX?

[Casus Belli]

We are feeling that Richard is very likely scum. His only reaction to the wagon on him is to say nothing and push the counter wagon on Shotty. He then avoids all the big talking points by placing a horribly reasoned vote on Nacho, that he quickly abandons with no further comment or push on anyone. He did have it set up to switch his vote over to CES, since he accused him of the same things as Nacho. Yet he didn't switch. Opting instead to unvote which isn't helpful to anyone. Possibly in an attempt to slip under the radar as Mas v Shotty garners more interest.

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Is nobody else concerned with FakeGod's failure to contribute anything but usless one liners?

What was useless about FakeGod's post 93?

Shotty, please address our questions in post 76

Here's the thing: Mas's playstyle is very reactionary at this point. If I switch my vote to him, OMG, he reacts in an angry fashion. There'd be no difference in his reaction than what he's done before and probably nothing that we would learn from it. So instead, I left my vote where it is because I think it's much more interesting to note the connection between you and Shotty, and something that I would prefer to explore more before I move my vote elsewhere, especially since my read on mas is a gut-read, and I don't typically hold much with my gut.

Are you scared of getting a reaction from mafs? If your gut case is based on him being reactionary, wouldn't voting for him provide more evidence of him being scum for the reasoning you laid out?

Would really like to hear more from CES and Reckamonic and to get a response from Shotty.

[masfloohinev]

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Have you never seen somebody vote for somebody without giving reasons? This is really reaching. Keep in mind this was an RVS bandwagon.

What was useless about FakeGod's post 93?

All it was was a post giving his opinions regarding mafia theory. No reads or questions or anything helpful in it. Convince me otherwise.

Casus Belli, why didn't you give any reads in your previous post?

[Substrike22]

We are feeling that Richard is very likely scum. His only reaction to the wagon on him is to say nothing and push the counter wagon on Shotty. He then avoids all the big talking points by placing a horribly reasoned vote on Nacho, that he quickly abandons with no further comment or push on anyone. He did have it set up to switch his vote over to CES, since he accused him of the same things as Nacho. Yet he didn't switch. Opting instead to unvote which isn't helpful to anyone. Possibly in an attempt to slip under the radar as Mas v Shotty garners more interest.

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Is nobody else concerned with FakeGod's failure to contribute anything but usless one liners?

What was useless about FakeGod's post 93?

Shotty, please address our questions in post 76

Here's the thing: Mas's playstyle is very reactionary at this point. If I switch my vote to him, OMG, he reacts in an angry fashion. There'd be no difference in his reaction than what he's done before and probably nothing that we would learn from it. So instead, I left my vote where it is because I think it's much more interesting to note the connection between you and Shotty, and something that I would prefer to explore more before I move my vote elsewhere, especially since my read on mas is a gut-read, and I don't typically hold much with my gut.

Are you scared of getting a reaction from mafs? If your gut case is based on him being reactionary, wouldn't voting for him provide more evidence of him being scum for the reasoning you laid out?

Would really like to hear more from CES and Reckamonic and to get a response from Shotty.

Given that my entire theory revolves around a GHP/Mas Team, based on the FoS from Mas onto GHP, I'll switch my vote because they're both scum. I would strongly ask you to consider taking Mas though. I think he's so blatantly scum at this point it's hard to miss. Especially with the whole "What do you think about SpyreX and FakeGod?" That is such a scummy question to be asking with how many votes are his direction right now.

UNVOTE: Mas
VOTE: GHP

[FakeGod]

What was useless about FakeGod's post 93?

All it was was a post giving his opinions regarding mafia theory. No reads or questions or anything helpful in it. Convince me otherwise.

Let's see..... we have a RVS wagon, then another wagon quickly popped up soon afterwards.

I expressed that I'm thinking Richard is more likely to be mafia than Shotty since there's a chance that town caught a mafia in the first wagon, and his mafia buddies are attempting a rescue via presenting another wagon.

The speed of the wagon, as you may have noticed, was pretty fast, and this is actually pretty important. This is important because: town usually have few people who tends to vote "faster" (trigger-happy?), and emergence of a new wagon usually means that "faster" people will abandon the original wagon for the new one. This is not what happened. The original wagon on Richard was stable despite the growing counter-wagon on Shotty. This implies that something else (for example, mafia might be fueling the second wagon) is at work here.

[SpyreX]

I want this laid out real, real clear and you to go ahead and finish your little teehee's mk2:

You are saying that Richard is scum and Shotty is the counterwagon fueled by scum.

Who is the scum that fueled or jumped or what have you.

Nice and clear.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

We are feeling that Richard is very likely scum.

How serious is this statement?

[FakeGod]

I haven't factored in the fast growing 3rd wagon into the theory yet, and there is also a chance that 3rd wagon, not the 2nd wagon might be scum-fueled.

[FakeGod]

But regardless which wagon might be mafia fueled, seeing all these fast growing wagons leads me to believe that mafia are throwing fuel into the fire.

Only reason they would do so I think would be to save Richard (or possibly Shotty).

[SpyreX]

Put your foot down mr man one way or another.

[FakeGod]

I think Richard is scum.

[SpyreX]

And Shotty et bandwagons?

[Reckamonic]

First off,

UNVOTE

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Your avatar is incredibly unlikeable, though, masnlfllooovz.

Richard is scum, though, for this post. You don't declare the end of the RVS; you don't announce that you're voting srs now; you don't dick around like so.
Casus Belli...welcome to the side of the good hydras, though. Post 76 made us happy - another non-schizo hydra! Hooray! Also, your questioning of masfloooo's post is awesome.
SpyreX, YOU DIDN'T RESPOND TO OUR POST. </3 Continue your questioning of FakeGod, though, it's making us happy.
We agree with q21's #98 on jmurph - excellent catch with the contradictions.

We kinda feel bad for missing all the excitement. Now we're just sitting out here watching everyone bicker and trying to figure out which of you is town and which is scum.
FOR THE RECORD if you'd like to question us on something specifically, please link to or quote the post in question because otherwise it's going to be a headache for everyone, and we don't want that, do we?

Vote: Richard

We already know who is scumbuddies are, too. Start squirming
Also of note: this hydra will be fairly inactive from Fri-Mon. Just a heads up.

[FakeGod]

@Spyrex: I don't know man I'm not God

btw, I find Reckamonic impossible to read in this or other games.

[RichardGHP]

Thanks for that, Reckamonic. Haven't had a good laugh in a while. Which one of you came up with that act?

_Sub

strike

, it's Richard. Not GHP.

[Substrike22]

Duely noted. VOTE: Richard

[RichardGHP]

TY. <3

[q21]

q21, what do you think of FakeGod and SpyreX?

At the moment: Nothing worth mentioning, or I'd have mentioned it.

[Reckamonic]

Thanks for that, Reckamonic. Haven't had a good laugh in a while. Which one of you came up with that act?

_Sub

strike

, it's Richard. Not GHP.

We're a double act.

[Shotty to the Body]

@Casus: What questions in 76? You direct two comments at me neither of which contain questions.

@Spyre: I'd pick the second one obviously. Your question was loaded because it was so black and white so I was trying to explain why there could be enough information to warrant that view.

My posts are less during the weekend, just a heads up.

[Casus Belli]

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Have you never seen somebody vote for somebody without giving reasons? This is really reaching. Keep in mind this was an RVS bandwagon.

Yes we have seen people voting without reason before. You.

Wasn't it you just arguing that FakeGod's reasonless vote was a reaction to your vote on Shotty? Why can't we propose the likelihood of your hop on Shotty as a reaction to Richards growing wagon considering the timing and how you gently pushed it on with subsequent posts.

Casus Belli, why didn't you give any reads in your previous post?

Read it again. We said Richard and yourself are likely scum, in our book, those are reads.

We are feeling that Richard is very likely scum.

How serious is this statement?

Serious, otherwise we wouldn't have said it. Now how about some actual input from you.

@Casus: What questions in 76? You direct two comments at me neither of which contain questions.

Fair enough, to be more clear:

Why didn't you question FakeGod's vote?
And why are you pushing a tell that is stronger in the late game so early when it's effectiveness is questionable at best?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't buy it.

Unvote, vote: Casus Belli