Mini 1044: Lie to Me Mafia - Game Over

[CryMeARiver]

Look at how Tasky answered the questions. The first five (minus the timezone) are all answered in the same style: "answer, some detail." The last question is simply answered in one word (and in all caps to make sure we're all convinced of it). The styles of answering the question changed from when he was probably telling the truth to the last question; he's lying.

wow... so you think you know better than me what alignment I prefer to play?
and even if I preferred to play mafia over playing town, how exactly would that make me scummy in this game since I did not pick my role.

I actually voted Tazaro for inter-game reasons (we played a game recently where he was believed to be scum by everybody but turned out town in the end). nothing to do with following your tunnel (the whole world is NOT rotating around you)

Tasky, whatever I say and whatever tone I say it in, I

don't

mean personally (also, I'm not nearly as confident as my tone suggests). Relax, it's just a game.

Overanalyis much?

That's how I roll. :p

Now, can anyone tell me why this post is incredibly scummy?

I noticed how Taz was the only one brave enough to say that his favorite alignment was scum. I also noticed how Tasky put his preference in all caps.

Vote: Tasky

because his emphasis on preferring town is scummy. If you prefer town, you should just say it. Highlighting it like that looks like you're trying to score town points.

It's the beginning of the game, vote is highly subject to change, etc. etc.

Preview edit: Tasky's idea is a good one

Psh, my idea
And I agree, that's reaching from Zero

[CryMeARiver]

I am aligned with the town.

@Tasky and everyone else: I prefer this statement ^ It takes away 3rd party skepticism
I am aligned with the town.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

CryMeARiver

I was not indicating that you used the term repeatedly. I was stating that the three sentences I left in your quoted text are replete with focusing on outing roles.

But, with your answer, I wonder what you define as "unnecessary knowledge".

I looked up the "Lie Detector" role on the wiki. I had never played a game with it. So, I did not know it was a defined role.

Are you assuming there is not a cop?

VOTE:

Tasky

I think his post, #71 was a way to hide his statement. Because if the possible "lie detector" role is in the game, than he made his statement null and void within a post that is full of claims that contradict each other. The post detection may be weighted on the whole post, and not just an isolated statement within the post. If we make verifiable statements to be detected, I think they need to be isolate the statements like antihero.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

I am aligned with the town.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

I want to state that I think alignment claim is far different than role claiming. Alignment fishing is what town primarily does. Role fishing is what mafia primarly do.

[Espeonage]

ok to answer some questions. Yes I have been a jester before. I hammered the super saint. I like being a treestump because I can continue to help town until the end of the game.

Lie Detecter is obviously a mechanic of the game. From my role I think I can assume that everyone who has a role in the lightman group will have this mechanic tied to their role in some way or another.

[Robbnva]

@cryme

it's the shit when the servers don't freeze and a game finishes with no suiciders or trolls

love day 1 when 2 people claim cop and turns out they both lied and were town

[jimfinn]

Timezone: EDT
Experience: A lot F2F with very different rules/playstyle, 2 finished newbies and one I'm dead in, 4 current minis counting this
Fave Role: F2F town roleblocker, online Vig/SK/Goon(basically anything with a kill)
Playstyle in a nutshell: Aggressive when I have a strong read, unaggressive if not. I believe strongly in the lynch of anyone who claims VT at L-1 on D1 as suggested by hohum in my first game. I disagreed there, but have come to agree.(check MD for a thread)
Are you familiar with the theme? I watched all of season 1, little to none since.

Avvie disclaimer: My avatar is a Decyfer Down album cover. They are an amazing band. Look up "The Best I Can", "Crash", and "Fight Like This"

[Espeonage]

dude the avvie disclaimer is because my avvie is of a member of the lie to me cast. It isn't one of the questions.

[jimfinn]

I know - I just felt like making one of my own lol - I never miss out on the chance to talk music!

[ZeroFang]

(1) What are your rules for defining RVS?

RVS is before we have any real information. The moment someone votes for a reason (even a weak one) is the moment RVS ends.

(2) What do you call the stage after RVS?

Dawn.

(3) What are your rules that define the next Stage?

People will vote for weak reasons, but it is the motive and thought behind them (as well as how good their cases are) that determine whether or not they are scum.

(4) How many times have you played mafia alignment?

In nine total completed games on and off site (including replace ins), I've been vanilla townie every single time.

(5) What makes it less favorable to you than playing town alignment?

See question (4)

[ZeroFang]

jimfinn, for the love of god, make your avatar regular size. It bothers the f*** out of me.



Espeonage, you too.



I apologize for my OCD.

[jimfinn]

I've wanted my avatar to be regular size, but I don't know how to make it that. Can you tell me how?

[ZeroFang]

Photoshop

[jimfinn]

...which I don't have...

[Antihero]

Zerofang, you plagiarizer :p

(1) What are your rules for defining RVS?

What significance does this question have? What information about people's alignments do you hope to gain from the answer to this question?

(2) What do you call the stage after RVS?

Why do you care!?

(3) What are your rules that define the next Stage?

You know, all the answers to these questions do is clutter up the discussion.

(4) How many times have you played mafia alignment?

Finally, a question that might have scumhunting meta significance. A few.

(5) What makes it less favorable to you than playing town alignment?

I was just trying to get discussion going with the whole mini analysis of Tasky's answer; this question will go nowhere.

That Tasky vote is aweful.

Let's take a look at SOW's last few posts. Right after my Tasky vote:

Tasky, are you aligned with town in this game? Will you have a favorite experience, or an unfavorite experience?

I think we should vote players for intra-game reasons, and not inter-game reasons. It does not matter what role they played in another game. It only matters what role they play in this game.

What do you mean by a "favorite experience"?
Stating the obvious is a mild scumtell, you know.

Nice! Another RV for "whatever reason you want..." I assume, the dot dot dot, means you can fabricate "whatever reason you want..." I am honestly okay with what ever vote you cast at this point. As it cannot yet lead to an incorrect lynch. But, I will have my eye on you to see if you continue to fabricate "whatever reason you want..."

Is anyone else scratching their head at this paragraph?

You are really focused on the term "rolefish".

(1) What qualifies as role fishing?
(2) What details made you think of this specific question?
(3) What details made you think that everyone should make the same statement?
(4) Why do you assume that such a mechanism of "lie detector" would effectively respond to such a statement by each player?

*sigh*
Too much!

SOW, what's the reason for

your

Tasky vote?

[Antihero]

...which I don't have...

[offtopic]

Right click on the picture Zerofang posted and "Save Picture As..." This saves the picture on your computer.

Now, go to the place where you change your avatar and upload the picture from your computer.

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[jimfinn]

fixed?

[Antihero]

Yes, much better (and easier on the eyes).

Now, who do you think is scum?

[ZeroFang]

Why am I a plagiarizer?

[offtopic]

lol you can use the one I made you or...

Paint.net or Gimp

They're basically the same thing as photoshop, just a little less professional.

Alternatively, you can use regular paint and stretch/skew/cut the image until it's 100x100, but it looks like crap and takes a long time.

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[Antihero]

Why am I a plagiarizer?

Using bold, blue text inside the quote box.

[jimfinn]

I wouldn't say anything so far is truly all that scummy (since it's still pretty much RVS/RQS), but I'm going to RVS VOTE: Tasky

[ZeroFang]

Why am I a plagiarizer?

Using bold, blue text inside the quote box.

FFFFUUUUUUU ok fine I'll use italic red.

@jimfinn it's not RVS anymore and obviously you didn't read the thread because there's been several scumtells thus far and like four people have already voted Tasky.

[jimfinn]

There are several Tasky votes, yes. What scumtells there are are minor at best, nothing too serious IMO. Wagon reactions are more likely to create scumtells that I pick up on than RQS answers and related discussion.

[jimfinn]

That is to say, disagreements over the meanings of terms such as rolefishing and the odd capitalization of TOWN do not seem (at least to me) to be anything significant, and no serious reason for voting is brought to my attention, though I am very curious to see how the wagon plays out. Wagon players up and down and see how they react - that's how you catch scum.