Open 233: Ninja Mafia Boogaloo - Over!

[StrangerCoug]

unvote, vote Zajnet.

gut vote,...too many jokes not enough content or reasoning...the wagon should be explored me thinks.

I knew something was off with his droids comment...

[Zajnet]

Sorry about the jokes, but

two

Star Wars references become that obvious and I have to jump on it.

I could say the same about you, actually. You're reasons so far have been "I like this wagon more than AGar," and "gut vote."

I think metas are relevant, but when you bring up your own meta is diminishes its worth. This is mostly why I voted SV.

[StrangerCoug]

I think you mean to talk to CKD, Zajnet...

[Shattered Viewpoint]

These are not the droids you are looking for.

Seriously, don't click this.

[Zajnet]

Yeah, I didn't see your post when I made mine.

On a side note, @ConfidAnon: I loved The Mole! That show was cool.

[Zajnet]

These are not the droids you are looking for.

Seriously, don't click this.

Post-modernism. Let's go with that one.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I ... just died a little inside.

[Zajnet]

Then I have succeeded.

[ConfidAnon]

1. Pepsi or Coke?
2. Favorite Setup?
3. How would you describe your meta?
4. Win/loss record?
5. Maximum number of games you'll play in at one time?

1. Pepsi
2. A surprising closed setup
3. Unmotivated
4. Haven't kept track
5. Three

2. I thought My Name is Earl was interesting.

Oh hi!

Please don't kill me. xD

@Anyone who is solely answering the questions set by Beefster:
Do you see any benefit to Beefster's questions?

No. But they are fun.

Please explain why not answering those RQS is scummy.

This.

Shattered Viewpoint's post seemed like a huge overreaction.

Yeah, I didn't see your post when I made mine.

On a side note, @ConfidAnon: I loved The Mole! That show was cool.

So do I. I actually host off-site online versions of the game.

/off-topic (PM me if you want to know more)

Anyways, for now, I support the SV wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

[Chronopie]

Hai guys, I'm back. Caramel Gold Mudcake ftw.

SV's over-reaction, and false (?) Meta, doesn't sit right on my scumdar.

VOTE: Shattered

[silverbullet999]

I can't argue my meta read on SB without outing my main account, so I'm going to drop it. Make of that what you will.

Ok so you might have played with me in the game, I won't ask about your account or what not but your admitting that you at the least read my games and/or participated in them.

Now one question I DO want you to answer is.. again you were using your meta read on me to implicate I was scummy saying that it's my scummy meta. Now a scummy meta... in my mind is something that someone tends to do or some way they act when they are scum. In the game where I could possibly see you attaining that meta, (as stated before) I was town. So how does a meta where I was town all of a sudden magically become a scummy meta? Would that not really be a town meta?

(I am not agreeing that it's a meta at all but in this scenario you have identified the meta as scummy but I want an explanation as to how in the world it could be a scummy meta.)

[Gammagooey]

Hey guys, Assuming that I can count correctly, SV is at L-2. No OMG I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THE HAMMER OH NOES please. Especially since some people haven't even made a serious/non-RQS post yet.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I have failed. In looking back at a couple of games, I had SB confused with a different player (who shall remain nameless).

I have now successfully painted myself into a very bad corner, and I have no idea what to do about it.

More later.

[Beefster]

When I made that comment on scumbuddies, I was merely joking along with someone who posted before me.

Has Kagelord even posted yet? My vote stands until I do a reread later tonight or tomorrow.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey guys, Assuming that I can count correctly, SV is at L-2. No OMG I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THE HAMMER OH NOES please. Especially since some people haven't even made a serious/non-RQS post yet.

I believe it's claim time for him then.

[Col.Cathart]

When I made that comment on scumbuddies, I was merely joking along with someone who posted before me.

Has Kagelord even posted yet? My vote stands until I do a reread later tonight or tomorrow.

Would you kindly answer me, why did you answered question not directed at you? Why not is not a good answer, especially after my last post.

(Yeah, I just finished Bioshock, how did you guessed that?)

[silverbullet999]

-Shattered

Is it later yet?

[Beefster]

I just felt like hijacking the question. It seemed like a good question for anyone to answer.

[Zorblag]

I'll start with the important bit. L-2 does not mean it's time to claim. It's time to claim when we've got someone in the thread who's ready to hammer. Until then it's time for the person being wagoned to defend them self. When someone claims we should be having them claim because we're ready to lynch them and I doubt we're at that point for Shattered Viewpoint just now.

@Sotty7, if you don't think I'm paying attention to the type of game this is do you disagree with any of my rules of thumb for what we want to do here? I claim that I'm pretty sure I know both the setup and the player mix we're dealing with and I made that post because I thought it was important to get that stuff out there.

@Beefster, I don't have a cola preference or a favorite setup (though simple is usually easier for me to deal with). Other than being a fairly conservative, deliberate player much of the time I don't think that I can give a quick summary of my meta that would be that helpful though I'm not at all hesitant to talk about it situationally as it comes up. I think that my win loss record right now is 22-9 but mafia is a team game so I'm not that responsible for most of the wins (or some of the losses.) Four games at a time would be my absolute limit and I'd prefer not to go to that many.

Do you really not see why people found Shattered Viewpoint suspicious. You might not agree that what he's done is scummy (personally, I think this is just how he plays his games) but I think that it's pretty clearly not just for laughs that people are casting their votes.

@Zajnet, it's interesting that you'd notice Paltry Excuse had posted but (apparently, given your first post) not AGar.

@AGar, I was otherwise occupied but it's nice to know you care I guess? Did you know that StrangerCoug suggested the setup when you asked his feeling about balance? I sort of think that if you did you'd know the answer to that question based on what he said in the Open Game suggestion thread.

@PaltryExcuse, I do think that at least some of Beefster's questions were worth knowing the answer to as they should help with expectations of play. Having said that, commenting on other things is also a good idea as one answers questions of the sort.

@Shattered Viewpoint, how big a tell do you think paying attention is? Or do you think it's a tell at all?

@Col.Cathart, when I think the answers to questions are obvious I'll answer for others when I'm town with no hesitation. I do have people complain about it from time to time but it saves time when I think it's clear something's not going anywhere useful. That doesn't apply here but in this case there were only really two answers to the question being asked (both opinions) and Beefster gave his opinion one way. It didn't give StrangerCoug any particular leg up with an answer he might give.

Also, you're on an L-2 wagon and don't seem to have given any reasons for that vote (or in fact mentioned Shattered Viewpoint even once that I can see outside the vote itself.) Is your vote where you want it to be now? If so would you care to share your reasons?

UNVOTE: AGar
VOTE: KageLord for being the first person alphabetically by user name not to have posted since the game started.

How do we still have two players who haven't posted at all?

Mod: Can we please prod KageLord and tumescence?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zajnet]

@Zajnet, it's interesting that you'd notice Paltry Excuse had posted but (apparently, given your first post) not AGar.

I had noticed that AGar had posted, and actually I was jokingly responding to his semi-V/LA status. It was random, befitting of the RVS.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

-Shattered

Is it later yet?

It is, for certain values of later. However, real content won't be here (from me) for a few more hours.

I'll start with the important bit. L-2 does not mean it's time to claim.

I agree.

@Shattered Viewpoint, how big a tell do you think paying attention is? Or do you think it's a tell at all?

I firmly believe that scum tend to (generally) skim through the thread, and therefore don't give the game the same level of attention that town players do. Therefore,

in certain circumstances,

I feel that lack of attention can be a scumtell.

[Beefster]

Really? I skim occasionally regardless of alignment. It all depends on how many walls of what size and how much I feel like reading.

Personally, I'd expect scum to be more attentive to a game- as they don't want to screw up and they're looking to attack just about anything.

[AGar]

@AGar, I was otherwise occupied but it's nice to know you care I guess? Did you know that StrangerCoug suggested the setup when you asked his feeling about balance? I sort of think that if you did you'd know the answer to that question based on what he said in the Open Game suggestion thread.

I knew two things:

1) SC had designed the setup. He said he had in the thread, and I had asked a question in the queue which led to his getting paged.
2) Some people (including yourself) had mentioned in the thread that the setup looked as if it favored mafia.

That's all I knew. I was fishing for certain responses in his answer. I did not get them.

[AGar]

Oh god, games are blurring. I just searched through a thread desperately for 45 minutes while looking for a post I made to Troll... X.X

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Actually, I seem to be at L-3.

@Mod: votecount, please?