Mini 968 - Bastard Mass Effect (Game Over)

[xRECKONERx]

For what it's worth: my role is NOT bastard-friendly, if I'm understanding that terminology correctly.

[Limerickx]

1. Policy Lynching... need I say more?
A: Generally, I find there is (or at least SHOULD) always be a better option.

2. Is set-up speculation scummy, even in a bastard game?
A: I don't think its scummy, but usually useless, an I have to imagine its even more useless in a bastard game.

3. Lynch-all-Liars?
A: Generally, there would have to be an AMAZING reason not to. Yes, there are cases where it might depend on circumstances, but thats always the case. From a 'Hey someone lied, thats all you know' question, the answer is 'lynch.'

4. How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books?
A: I played about 1 hour into the first one, so....almost nothing.

[Kerristar]

@Cathart: Your logic behind the massclaim makes sense, I'm leaning towards supporting it. Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

[Col.Cathart]

@Cathart: Your logic behind the massclaim makes sense, I'm leaning towards supporting it. Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

Role claim is the important part. Name is not necessary, but why you should hold it back if you're claiming anyway? It can only work in your favor if it's your real role and the flavor fits with it...

[VP Baltar]

Question time:

(Because waiting for RVS to end is really boring.)

1. Policy Lynching... need I say more?

2. Is set-up speculation scummy, even in a bastard game?

3. Lynch-all-Liars?

4. How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books?

1) No you don't. We're not doing it.
2) Yes, bastard games are not an excuse to waste time speculating this early when we should be scumhunting. In fact, I'd argue that the sheer lunacy of bastard games gives even less reason to worry about the setup, at least for the first couple of lynches.
3)Not really. People make mistakes at times. Checking motivation is far more important.
4) I played and loved the first game. One of my favorite video game experiences. Never read the books...nor did I know there were books.

The other half of this hydra is Kunkstar7. Do you guys wish for us to identify which one of the heads is posting, or does is not matter to you?

I don't care so much about identifying yourselves. What I do care about is you guys keeping any differences of opinion in your QT. If you guys disagree on something, then arrive at a compromise before posting here. I take the word of hydras like any other player and inconsistency is going to result in your lynch.

What fishing? Fate already claimed quintuple voter. We know his role, so what is going to hurt town if we'll know if he's either Jacob, Legion, Thane or whoever else? Also, see below.

How do you know he's serious? You were definitely rolefishing. In fact, I don't see why people aren't wagoning you right now.

Actually with this kind of setup, massclaim would be good here.

OMFG. What kind of setup is this that you think massclaim is helpful? LYNCHING NOA.

I'm interested in Fate's flavor role for the sake of my own curiosity as a ME fan.

Or maybe the mod didn't give you fake claims...better figure out what NOT to claim before your turn comes!

@Cathart: Your logic behind the massclaim makes sense, I'm leaning towards supporting it. Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

You both agree with this?

Also, CC's logic does not make all that much sense. First of all, there is a huge spectrum to consider when one thinks about "bastard" games. Things can range greatly from "two jesters" to "hey I'm trying to imitate Tarhilundar". The point is we have no frakking clue what we are dealing with at this point and to suggest that mass claim is going to be helpful now is ridiculously naive and scummy. What is Col. basing this off of you ask? A SINGLE GAME HE PLAYED ONCE. Wow, there's statistically relevant data if I ever saw it.

Countless bastard and complex games have been lost because people spend too much time worrying about the setup and not enough time worrying about lynching the scum. This is very relevant in this game because the deadlines are super short. Massclaim this early and with this many players is likely to take up most of the day. Guess who benefits from that?

More Col. votes please. Kerristar is also acceptible.

[Parama]

By the way I do not support a massclaim.

[animorpherv1]

hello.

1. Sometimes. Early game only, IMO.

2. Scumy? No. Uselss in Bstard games? Yes.

3.LML - Lynch Most Liars

4. I have very, very little experience. Like I said before, I've seen some stuff in Gamepro, but that's it.

[Doombunny9]

I do not support a massclaim. If we're just doing it to tell how bastardized this setup is then that is a very shitty reason. A massclaim at this point will probably help scum more than town. Later, maybe but definitely not now.

[bv310]

So guess who really sucks at remembering to watch games that are just starting? This guy.

Anyway,

1. No. As someone who used to get targeted for PLs, it defeated the purpose of me ever trying to get better when I knew I'd just get lynched out by Day 2.

2. Scummy in most cases, especially in early game.

3. Lynch ALL Liars. Lying is not a protown attitude, except in very limited situations

4. I've never played Mass Effect, but I have some friends who are right addicted to it. Hopefully they can help.

Also, any kind of claim on Page 2 is absolutely ridiculous.

[Fate]

3.LML - Lynch Most Liars

3. Lynch ALL Liars. Lying is not a protown attitude, except in very limited situations

3. Lynch-all-Liars?
A: Generally, there would have to be an AMAZING reason not to. Yes, there are cases where it might depend on circumstances, but thats always the case. From a 'Hey someone lied, thats all you know' question, the answer is 'lynch.'

>_>'
I'm not gonna last long at this rate.

Or maybe the mod didn't give you fake claims...better figure out what NOT to claim before your turn comes!

(Just between you and me last game I was in with TM mod he didn't give scum fakeclaims until their members started dying off and we approached "MCish" days)
(Also I may or may not be a Porkens alt but that certainly doesn't change my love of blood and apathy for who dies)

[Fate]

Oh forgot page 1. Only xRECKx and maybe Kerristar <3s me.

1. Policy Lynching... need I say more?

I'll go for a luke lynch today above all others if we're near the deadline and are still dickin around, then ani, then bv310.

2. Is set-up speculation scummy, even in a bastard game?

I don't get what you mean "even in a bastard game" as if to imply it is scummy in other theme games but guaranteed thing in bastard games. If anything I would think it is generally more accepted in

normal

games than theme games (i.e., are there really a vig and a one-shot vig vs. the two goons that have flipped? Maybe SK...) To a point where that's all one's play focuses on (see one of Tar's Mindscrew) and they don't scumhunt otherwise, yeah its scummy. I feel I've given this question too much attention >_>

3. Lynch-all-Liars?

Please don't have this policy. I've seen scum scream this to get someone lynched and then go "meh his fault" when the person flips town. This sort of mid-late game policy hurts town more than scum. Other factors are more important.

4. How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books?

Played ME1 to completion (not 100%) haven't played ME2. /inned for the crazyness.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ Col. Cathart:

Tomorrow, we'll know from the kills how many factions there are, and we will be better prepared to see through fakeclaims. But for now, there's no way to tell a fakeclaim from a real one. Think about it: it makes sense that the mod would try to mess with us, by creating unlikely role-name combos. Which is also why it would be easy for the scum to slip by, they could just say their real character name and come up with a bizarre role; we'd have no way to tell if they were lying. It also gives the scum a chance to take out the greatest power roles quickly.

In short, it benefits scum far more than town.

[Doombunny9]

I'll go for a luke lynch today above all others if we're near the deadline and are still dickin around, then ani, then bv310.

Any explanation for this?

Also, I think we've established the fact that we're not going to massclaim so I see little reason to go on about it.

[Fate]

Lukepukeduke: mafia 112 (funny read)
Ani: on going games
bv310: hard to read from past games

[bv310]

Fate, if it makes you feel any better, I enjoy playing in games you're in. You're entertaining to read.

[VP Baltar]

In short, it benefits scum far more than town.

And yet people aren't pushing this lynch at all. I can't understand.

[TonyMontana]

"How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books? "

Played both games. Books, lol. :p

VoteCount 1.1

L-4

Col.Cathart

(VP Baltar, Mystery Man, Doombunny9)

L-6

lukepukeduke

(Parama)
L-6

Parama

(Fate)
L-6

bv310

(xRECKONERx)
L-6

Mystery Man

(Limerickx)
L-6

TonyMontana

(Kerristar)

Not voting: luke, bv310, ani, Col

Deadline ≈ 5.5 days

[VP Baltar]

Five and a half days to deadline. More talking or more Col. Cathart lynching. You decide.

I would also perhaps go for a lukepukeduke or bv310 lynch, but Col is far superior AND the leading wagon.

Today I will not be lynching MMM, xRx or Fate.

Hey Kerristar, there are two of you and yet you say nothing. What's up with that?

[Kerristar]

This is the SaintKerrigan head of the hydra Kerristar.

This head of the hydra is going to be V/LA for most of this week due to finals

...

[Limerickx]

Truthfully, I think the fact that Kerristar agreed with Cathart in such a passive manner is more suspicious, to me anyway. End result is Kerristar supporting the massclaim without drawing a lot of the attention associated with actually initiating the idea.

I disagree with the massclaim 100%, but at least Cathart is giving his full backing of it, while Kerristar seems to be silently latching on. Even the second sentence

Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

Implies "Yes, keep going for a massclaim, it will result in a) a massclaim, or b) people lynching you for starting the idea of having a massclaim,"
while almost insinuating that a massclaim IS going to be the outcome.

Unvote: MMM
Vote: Kerristar

[Parama]

Hmm. ITT Doombunny sounds like he has something to hide, and I don't particularly like that.

unvote, vote: Doombunny

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ Fate, Parama: What do you think of the players who support a massclaim?

@ Kerristar: Why do you support a massclaim?

[Limerickx]

@ Parama: What has doombunny said that makes you think he was something to hide?

[VP Baltar]

Truthfully, I think the fact that Kerristar agreed with Cathart in such a passive manner is more suspicious, to me anyway. End result is Kerristar supporting the massclaim without drawing a lot of the attention associated with actually initiating the idea.

This is a good point. I will support a Kerristar wagon as well. Also, their excuse making of being one head doesn't mean they shouldn't be posting.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Who is more scummy, the scum, or the scum who follows him?

My questions still stand, I want to know why Kerristar supported the massclaim before I decide whether they are scummier than the Colonel.