Mini 968 - Bastard Mass Effect (Game Over)

[kunkstar7]

Also, why is Limerickx's case misguided? And do you really think he is scum? The term 'misguided' implies he is town hunting town. As for a policy lynch, he stated earlier that he was generally against policy lynching, and for inactivity? You stated you would be V/LA, or at least one head, so any inactivity can be excused. I don't see anything in Limerickx's case about inactivity

I have a town read from Limerick at this point, hes active, scumhunting, thats why he is misguided, its town on town. Regarding the inactivity, thats why Limerick is the only one with a point against us. A few of the votes on the bandwagon were simply for inactivity (reck and bv if I'm correct), which was baseless. Limerick is misguided because of the way he interpreted the post.

Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

Implies "Yes, keep going for a massclaim, it will result in a) a massclaim, or b) people lynching you for starting the idea of having a massclaim,"
while almost insinuating that a massclaim IS going to be the outcome.

I don't see how the first implies the second. Its the conditions of our support. I would argue that this is stretching to a degree. The quote simply asks if its name or role claim or both, and depending on which happens we'll give our support. I really don't see how it implies that we are trying to get people to lynch him solely, as this would be hypocritical when we clearly were preparing to support it as well.

Ani's in this game??

[Kerristar]

Also, why is Limerickx's case misguided? And do you really think he is scum? The term 'misguided' implies he is town hunting town. As for a policy lynch, he stated earlier that he was generally against policy lynching, and for inactivity? You stated you would be V/LA, or at least one head, so any inactivity can be excused. I don't see anything in Limerickx's case about inactivity

I have a town read from Limerick at this point, hes active, scumhunting, thats why he is misguided, its town on town. Regarding the inactivity, thats why Limerick is the only one with a point against us. A few of the votes on the bandwagon were simply for inactivity (reck and bv if I'm correct), which was baseless. Limerick is misguided because of the way he interpreted the post.

Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

Implies "Yes, keep going for a massclaim, it will result in a) a massclaim, or b) people lynching you for starting the idea of having a massclaim,"
while almost insinuating that a massclaim IS going to be the outcome.

I don't see how the first implies the second. Its the conditions of our support. I would argue that this is stretching to a degree. The quote simply asks if its name or role claim or both, and depending on which happens we'll give our support. I really don't see how it implies that we are trying to get people to lynch him solely, as this would be hypocritical when we clearly were preparing to support it as well.

Ani's in this game??

[Parama]

I can't explain my reasoning any more than I already have, guys. Stop asking for something I've already explained well.

Then I must be blind, because I still don't see it.

Because I can totally explain a gut feeling in a way that everyone agrees with.
Oh wait.
I gave my reason - it was a feeling that he had something to hide. I gave the line that made me feel that way. Nobody else seems to get the same feeling, but I can't deny that I have it. So, I've explained it as best as I can. Whether you choose to agree with me or not is up to you.

Now can we please lynch Doombunny?

[Limerickx]

MMM:

I didn't think by 'misguided' he was implying that I was scummy, just incorrect in my line of thinking.

[Limerickx]

Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

Implies "Yes, keep going for a massclaim, it will result in a) a massclaim, or b) people lynching you for starting the idea of having a massclaim,"
while almost insinuating that a massclaim IS going to be the outcome.

I don't see how the first implies the second. Its the conditions of our support. I would argue that this is stretching to a degree. The quote simply asks if its name or role claim or both, and depending on which happens we'll give our support. I really don't see how it implies that we are trying to get people to lynch him solely, as this would be hypocritical when we clearly were preparing to support it as well.

Because due to the fact that he started trying to gain momentum on the proposal, he would be the focus of any resulting 'heat,' while passively agreeing, in the manner that your post read, would not. Also saying 'is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?' implies that some decision TO massclaim was made. No, not upfront, but in a backhanded manner. That is how I read it.

[Limerickx]

Because I can totally explain a gut feeling in a way that everyone agrees with.
Oh wait.
I gave my reason - it was a feeling that he had something to hide. I gave the line that made me feel that way. Nobody else seems to get the same feeling, but I can't deny that I have it. So, I've explained it as best as I can. Whether you choose to agree with me or not is up to you.

Now can we please lynch Doombunny?

You want us to lynch doombunny.....based on a gut feeling you have......that you can't explain?

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

The only person I see with a reasonable point against us is Limerickx, although misguided.

Implies Limerickx is town.

I see scum hoping for a quick policy lynch on inactivity.

Implies Limerickx is scum.

@ Kerristar: WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A MASSCLAIM?

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ Limerickx: How should Kerristar have phrased the question about the massclaim?

[VP Baltar]

In Doombunny vs. Parama, I probably side with Doombunny. Parama is doing some serious reaching.

Our support of the massclaim depended on what it consisted of.

Ok, so what massclaim did you support and what benefit would the town gain from that?

Why not Reck? What did he did so pro-town? He's not very vocal, he's not scumhunting much, and he's not even supporting your 'ROAR, Col is scum!' theory.

I don't think someone is town if they support my theories for what it's worth. At least not automatically. And I'm saying not Reck because right now he's playing to his town meta for the most part as far as I can see....which isn't exactly pro-town. Mind you, it's a fine line for him between town and scum, but I need more time to see if my initial read is correct and there are much better lynch choices today.

Unvote, Vote: Kerristar

I don't like Parama's stance on the doombunny thing, but Kerristar lynch is so much better.

[Kerristar]

Because due to the fact that he started trying to gain momentum on the proposal, he would be the focus of any resulting 'heat,' while passively agreeing, in the manner that your post read, would not. Also saying 'is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?' implies that some decision TO massclaim was made. No, not upfront, but in a backhanded manner. That is how I read it.

Makes sense.

The only person I see with a reasonable point against us is Limerickx, although misguided.

Implies Limerickx is town.

I see scum hoping for a quick policy lynch on inactivity.

Implies Reck and bv310

Limerickx

are scummish.

Our support of the massclaim depended on what it consisted of.

Ok, so what massclaim did you support and what benefit would the town gain from that?

We supported nameclaim in particular. Role stuffs. Kind of pointless now that everything was shot down and we'll probably have to claim. Thats why Limerickx is misguided. We wanted to see if the massclaim would contain a nameclaim, if not, it wasn't worth pursuing. So Limerickx was reading too much into that sentence.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Unless I'm wrong, Kerristar is at L-2.

[Limerickx]

@ Limerickx: How should Kerristar have phrased the question about the massclaim?

The important aspect is the two sentences in conjunction.The first sentence, which I read as 'yeah, sure ok, massclaiming doesn't sound bad' turned into the second sentence, which I took as 'ok, now that its decided, lets get into the details of how its going down'.

If Kerristar REALLY wanted to have more info regarding the massclaim before agreeing/not agreeing, then why not say so? Why not something like 'I might be for it, depending on what sort of claim. Is it a........'and so on

We supported nameclaim in particular. Role stuffs.

Why?

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

BTTB:

animorpherv1: Needs to POST!

bv310: Scummier by the minute. I can see why Col. Cathart doesn't like him. We'll never get anywhere with this inactivity.

Col.Cathart: I'm going to give him a pass for today, but I still think he's scummy. Although I agree with his read on bv310, I don't think it warrants a vote, not with all the other discussion. But, I can see how the massclaim suggestion could've been a mistake, and he's been scumhunting otherwise.

Doombunny9: I don't see how his statement about not going on about the massclaim is any more scummy than how the rest of us have kept pressure on Col. Cathart and Kerristar. I still would like to see more scumhunting from him though I have a town read.

Fate: I'm leaning toward scummy. He hasn't posted much of anything original, and bandwagoned.

Kerristar: I still don't see how a nameclaim is good for town. Take my avatar as an example, if I claimed Garrus, does that make me town or scum? Garrus was a good guy, but also a bit of a rogue. Same logic applies for all the roles. The only remotely useful bit of info is if someone claimed Jack, they'd likely be a SK. But, the mod could have thought of that, and made Jack a jester. To me, suggesting a nameclaim is an excuse to avoid scumhunting, of which you've done very little. I also don't like your half-attack on Limerickx, calling him scum and then retreating when called upon. Until you can give me a good reason otherwise, you're my preferred lynch candidate.

Limerickx: I read smart town, although I disagree with his tell on Kerristar, I can see his point.

lukepukeduke: Um... who?

Parama: Frankly, the attack on Doombunny9 doesn't look like scum to me. Newbie town, yes. Lyncher, yes. Jester, maybe. But probably not scum.

VP Baltar: Town, albeit aggressive.

xRECKONERx: Another lurker? Very scummy read here. Says he doesn't 'get' the C.C lynch, and votes Kerristar for disappearing in one post, then says he's against the massclaim in the next post and disappears himself.

[Col.Cathart]

@ Col. Cathart: Why are you voting bv310 over animorpherv1, who has made even less content?

because ani posted NOTHING, so nothing scummy as well. Bv posted close to nothing, and what he did post was scummy. I'm fine with lynching both of them though.

Now can we please lynch Doombunny?

Based only on your gut? Not a chance.

BTW, is a gut a read the strongest thing you can come up so far? No one else did something scummy outside from your feelings?

[VP Baltar]

We supported nameclaim in particular. Role stuffs. Kind of pointless now that everything was shot down and we'll probably have to claim. Thats why Limerickx is misguided. We wanted to see if the massclaim would contain a nameclaim, if not, it wasn't worth pursuing. So Limerickx was reading too much into that sentence.

This doesn't answer my question of why you thought this would be a benefit to the town...which is sort of the important part of all that. Also, Col. Cat's reasons for mass claim seemed to be more role based than name based, so I'm not sure why you were supportive.

Parama: Frankly, the attack on Doombunny9 doesn't look like scum to me. Newbie town, yes. Lyncher, yes. Jester, maybe. But probably not scum.

Lyncher and Jester are scum roles if you want to get technical. Anyhow, why do you think Parama is a newbie? Do you consider yourself a newbie?


I want to hear from ani and Reckoner now.

[Kerristar]

If Kerristar REALLY wanted to have more info regarding the massclaim before agreeing/not agreeing, then why not say so? Why not something like 'I might be for it, depending on what sort of claim. Is it a........'and so on

That was the intention of the post.

I still don't see how a nameclaim is good for town.

Namecopping. Locking scum into an early nameclaim would allow for looking for fakeclaims.

[Limerickx]

That was the intention of the post.

The fact that I didn't read it that way was what I found suspicious.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

I treat mafia and SK as scum. Lyncher and jester are different because it goes against the town's wincon to lynch them. I don't know if Parama is a newbie, but he seems to be acting like one.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Namecopping. Locking scum into an early nameclaim would allow for looking for fakeclaims.

How? This is likely the first thing the mod thought of when creating the roles. Add that to the fact that it's hard to tell which roles are pro-town and which are anti-town, and we have endless discussion that goes nowhere, and stops all scumhunting.

[VP Baltar]

@Kerristar - Do you still think nameclaim is a good idea?

[xRECKONERx]

Not gonna lie, I think this game is going to be an uphill battle for me. Too. Much. Wall. Of. Text. You people need to learn to be more succinct. I'll try to get my thoughts in, though:

Kerristar's vote on Doombunny is fairly rational.

Unvote

. Yes, Doom's post does seem to be covering all bases, but if Doom is scum, I'd bet good money one of Col/Kerri/Parama is scum as well to cover all bussing bases.

I must've missed something Parama did to make him scummy - anyone wanna help me out here? Limerick's post 87 didn't convince me.

I kinda wanna vote for bv310, but I think it's better to let the night kills take care of him.

The Kerristar wagon is worrying me with how quickly it built up.

MMM is obvtown. VPB is murky.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ xRECKONERx: Why do you include Col. Cathart in your bussing list? He said he didn't understand Parama's case on him.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Mod: ani, bv310, and lukepukeduke all should be modkilled, according to the rules. I don't like the idea of wiping out a quarter of the player list D1, so could we have some prods instead?

[Parama]

They get modkilled after a full game day, not a full IRL day.

I'm not saying that I don't have other scum reads, but more that I trust my gut feeling on Doom and I'm going to follow through with it.

Lovin' 106 though, that's very tempting. Contradictions are a good way to find scum.

MMM, I'm not Newbie. People just don't tend to follow my logic half the time even when it's dead-on (which it tends to be).

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ Parama: What are your other scum reads? Do you have any more points in your case against Doombunny9 besides the 'other motive against massclaim' theory?