Guides For Common Roles

[Ythan]

Ever gotten a role and wondered what to do with it, not just to benefit your faction but to keep from screwing up? I haven't, because I'm a bad motherfucker, but I'm sure plenty of folks would find even brief pointers for a number of more or less common classes helpful. Even really basic stuff like cops, docs, vigs, roleblockers, etc. If yes, getting some ideas up in this thread would be a good place to start. And if anyone says that making a guide will alter the play, not only of PRs but of those looking for them, I say that's part of the evolution of the game.

[Netopalis]

Neighbors. What's the point?

[Ythan]

Do you mean what is the point of a guide for neighbors?

[Netopalis]

No, what is the point of neighbors? IMHO, they're rather useless.

[Ellibereth]

Neighbors are awesome
You can have private grilling sessions, and If you think the other guy is town you can share/plan stuff etc.

[Pie_is_good]

Dibs on writing the vig one

[DeathRowKitty]

No, what is the point of neighbors? IMHO, they're rather useless.

Well, if you tell your fellow neighbor that you're doing something to get discussion going and he decides to find you scummy for it while basically ignoring the fact that you mention it was to start discussion, you know he's probably scum (Elli knows what I'm talking about).

Dibs on writing the vig one

Wait, I thought the point was to teach people how to use roles

correctly

.

[Thok]

The neighbor guide should have two points

1. Spend time grilling you neighbor at night, so you can get a good feel for if he's scum or town. This shouldn't be hard.

2. Don't breadcrumb. This may be controversial, but unless you're doing something wrong, your voting record should be more than enough to confirm that you are neighbors even if one is nightkilled, and scum are unlikely to be able to reasonably counterclaim a neighbor claim because of their voting record. Meanwhile, neighbor breadcrumbs are just an invitation to draw scum night kills.

If you decide that a neighbor is scum, you want to come out strong and vote for him. If you decide your neighbors are town, then the best time to reveal is as close to LyoL as possible; there's very little that's more disheartening for scum then getting to a 5 person endgame and suddenly learning that two of your potential mislynches can't happen because they are neighbors that are convinced each other is protown.

[zoraster]

If you're into playing outguess the mod (which I actually think is often a fruitful method at times), neighbors can be useful. Is he the type of mod to NEVER make all neighbors town? Would he do a Neapolitan of Town/SK/Scum? Would the mod make it so that there were MORE than one scum in a 3 person neighborhood?

I mention this because I know as a moderator, there is a great impetus that moves you to use 2 town, 1 scum in a 3 person neighboorhood. So if the scum in it dies, it increases the likelihood that the other two are clear. And for a townie in a neighborhood, if another townie neighbor dies, it increases the likelihood the other is scum. Mods should fight this impulse as to not be predictable, but I think it still exists.

In rarer circumstances, it can lead to some more help. The only time I've used neighbors, that was just another part of their role... one was vanilla, one a jailkeeper, and one a scum bus driver. If you semi-clear two Power roles, they might be able to direct each other better (i.e. without threat of scum overhearing)

[Ythan]

Is this up to date?
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ood_Townie

[zoraster]

I think it's still fine. Basically it boils down to "don't be an idiot" as a townie. Or at least, especially as vanilla, it's not the time to do some crazy gambiting unless you really know what you're doing.

[Vi]

Neighbor is as good a role as you are. It's basically a one-shot investigation, accurate according to your skill and your partner's at looking Town in an awkward situation.

Basically it boils down to "don't be an idiot" as a townie

You have no idea how true this is.

I mention this because I know as a moderator, there is a great impetus that moves you to use 2 town, 1 scum in a 3 person neighboorhood.

Neighborhoods preset by the mod have a nasty tendency to include a representative of every alignment present in the game. It's really lame and predictable.

[Yosarian2]

Neighborhoods preset by the mod have a nasty tendency to include a representative of every alignment present in the game. It's really lame and predictable.

This is why it's better to use unconfirmed masons instead.

(cough)

[Ythan]

Saying unconfirmed mason just screams mod-WIFOM.

[Vi]

Neighborhoods preset by the mod have a nasty tendency to include a representative of every alignment present in the game. It's really lame and predictable.

This is why it's better to use unconfirmed masons instead.

(cough)

We're trying to

lose

the archaic terminology while getting rid of the lame meta that Neighbor has been saddled with.

[Battousai]

Dibs on writing the vig one

Use the ability every night, kill who you think is scum early and then move onto killing who you think the town will lynch tomorrow to save a lynch (unless you find them obv-town).

[Cobalt]

the last thing this site needs is more wiki-fed meta

[Ythan]

Then wiki dogmatists should be the new policy lynch until we don't have that problem anymore.

[zoraster]

Neighbor is as good a role as you are. It's basically a one-shot investigation, accurate according to your skill and your partner's at looking Town in an awkward situation.

Basically it boils down to "don't be an idiot" as a townie

You have no idea how true this is.

I mention this because I know as a moderator, there is a great impetus that moves you to use 2 town, 1 scum in a 3 person neighboorhood.

Neighborhoods preset by the mod have a nasty tendency to include a representative of every alignment present in the game. It's really lame and predictable.

Like other selections, I think it's a good idea to use randomness (that is random.org randomness or similar) and then TELL the people involved that it's random.

[Glork]

We're trying to

lose

the archaic terminology while getting rid of the lame meta that Neighbor has been saddled with.

"Archaic terminology"? Run that one by me again.

[ekiM]

No, what is the point of neighbors? IMHO, they're rather useless.

One use is to find out what the other guy thinks at night in case he gets nightkilled.

[Ectomancer]

No, what is the point of neighbors? IMHO, they're rather useless.

My last game was won because our neighborhood had worked out alignment through neighborhood chat. At least, we thought we had and turned out right that time.
They are only useless if you don't talk, which leads me to:

It is anti-town to be in a neighborhood and not talk. If your neighbor refuses to engage, run them up the rope.

[The Fonz]

2. Don't breadcrumb. This may be controversial, but unless you're doing something wrong, your voting record should be more than enough to confirm that you are neighbors even if one is nightkilled, and scum are unlikely to be able to reasonably counterclaim a neighbor claim because of their voting record. Meanwhile, neighbor breadcrumbs are just an invitation to draw scum night kills.

Drawing nightkills to neighbours is hardly a problem.

[Thok]

Drawing nightkills to neighbours is hardly a problem.

They are if you are in a game where neighbors are the majority of the town's power.

[Mr. Flay]

Neighbors aren't much in the way of power, though. If people are weighting them even like a Doc, I'd say they're doing it wrong.