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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:04 pm

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No we didn't! You never said anywhere that you were prepared to volunteer in 10.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:24 pm

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People. You cannot trust Chenshi. In the previous round, when he was way at the bottom, I told him, "You defect, I'll volunteer. We'll be on the same number of points. We can move forwards together!"

Notice that the first action I did in the game was give Chenshi level points with me. And now he defects.

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:14 pm

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Round 3 Pairings!


SensFan vs chenshi
Animorpherv1 vs AuroruxVox
Fishythefish vs yawetag




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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:42 pm

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I'm missing chenshi choices.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 am

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Chenshi has been prodded yesterday, and has 24 hours to send choices or he will be replaced.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2010 11:16 pm

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Round 3, Turn 1 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(+10)
chenshi :
Volunteer
(-10)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 50
yawetag : 45
SensFan : 35
chenshi : 15
AurorusVox : 10
Animorpherv1 : 5



New pairings, but already first blood...





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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed May 05, 2010 12:34 am

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Round 3, Turn 2 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 60
yawetag : 35
SensFan : 30
AurorusVox : 15
chenshi : 10
Animorpherv1 : 10



Defection is spreading...





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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu May 06, 2010 10:50 am

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Round 3, Turn 3 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 70
yawetag : 25
SensFan : 25
AurorusVox : 20
Animorpherv1 : 15
chenshi : 5




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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2010 5:22 am

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I'll be away for this week end. The game will resume Monday.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon May 10, 2010 9:31 am

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Just for information, I haven't forgotten about you. However, I'm currently needing an answer from a player, and I won't give this turn results before.

I hope I will be able to post the results as soon as possible.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 5:26 am

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Round 3, Turn 4 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 80
AurorusVox : 25
SensFan : 20
Animorpherv1 : 20
yawetag : 15
chenshi : 0




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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 7:26 am

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Round 3, Turn 5 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 90
AurorusVox : 30
Animorpherv1 : 25
SensFan : 15
yawetag : 5
chenshi : -5




This is the end of round 3!




Round 4 Pairings


Fishythefish vs AurorusVox
Animorpherv vs SensFan
yawetag vs chenshi




Discussion is now free. I'll pm quicktopic to each pair soon.

Given I'll be away from computer until next Monday, you have until next Monday to send me a strategy. Remember : your strategy can be as complex as you want, might include randomness, but otherwise can only depend on the choices that you, your partner and the other players made during the previous turns.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 3:01 pm

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Yatta! Vox and Aminorpherv are awesome volunteer-ers!
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 3:02 pm

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AurorusVox wrote:Yatta! Vox and Aminorpherv are awesome volunteer-ers!
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun May 16, 2010 8:29 pm

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chenhsi has been prodded ... (again :|)
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 3:16 am

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Despite prods, yawetag has not answered. I don't want to stall the game any longer, so here's what will happen :

* Yawetag is removed from the game, and greylisted from any of my future games.
* Yawetag opponent (chenshi) will play against all 4 other strategies provided by the players and I will average his results. This looks to me like the fairest way to handle the situation. (Making yawetag auto-volunteer or auto-defect would give a huge penalty or advantage to chenshi)

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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 5:18 am

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Round 4 Results!


FishyTheFish : Tit-for-Tat
AurorusVox : Defect Every Turn

SensFan : Defect Every Turn
Animorpherv : Tit-for-Tat

Chenshi : Tit-for-Tat for 40 turns, Defect last 10.

Effects :
FishyTheFish : -30.5
AurorusVox : -28.5
SensFan : -28.5
Animorpherv : -30.5
Chenshi : -8.75 (+13, +13, -30.5, -30.5)
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 5:23 am

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Final Standings


Fishythefish : 59.5
AurorusVox : 1.5
Animorpherv1 : -5.5
chenshi : -13.75
SensFan : -15.5

Thanks to all players for participating! I hope you enjoyed this small game, and I welcome any comments on the game / my modding. I already had some remarks from SensFan, and even if i disagree about how he would have fixed the situation, I'll make sure that I'm not put in the same situation again.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 7:08 am

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(Actually, I don't think I sent in Tit-for-Tat, I meant to send in "Vindictive" - defect forever after your opponent defects. Which makes exactly no difference.)

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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 9:19 am

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HAH! I knew you were going to defect!
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri May 21, 2010 11:19 am

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Hey Fishy ^^

I realised that I had to defect every round to have any chance of winning, so sorry about the defect :(

Considering I came into the most hated spot, I think I played quite nicely for most of the game (until the FINALE that is!)

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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sat May 22, 2010 5:05 am

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Thanks for modding, El. It's never going to be easy dealing with flaking in a game like this, and I thought your way of handling it was pretty good. It's obviously not ideal for chen to be playing a game against people who aren't scoring points, but it's much better than abandoning or having chen not score.

I liked the setup, but it struck me halfway through that the last round was potentially a bit flawed. Against a "Tit-for-Tat" strategy, it would be impossible to gain more than 4 points relative to your opponent. This means that unless two people went into the last round tied on points, whoever was ahead could just do that, and the other player would probably end up cooperating for most of it. I really thought the algorithm round would see large amounts of cooperation, and was surprised how it turned out.

It was kind of disappointing to be gifted so many points. Before yawe flaked, I was set to go into the last round 5 points ahead (assuming he started defecting after I defected), which would have been rather exciting.
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