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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:18 pm

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iLord wrote:Would 1 not be just as unlikely as 4, considering the excuse that Ani used?
No. I would expect cult to discuss/coordinate their actions each night, but not necessarily to discuss all the plays/posts they make in game.

Case in point, Percy's last game. Daytalking scum made a boneheaded move and didn't consult their scumbuddy in their quicktopic prior to making it.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:18 pm

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Ani wrote:I thought it was helping,although it wasn't as passive as I wanted, by getting rid of what I thought would be a big threat if he's cult. I hid it because of that I was afraid what was going to happen (what happened to me when I hid it up).
What happened to your lack of faith in your scumhunting ability?

How is it possible that you believe it's optimal play to vig all good analysts as soon as possible?
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:18 pm

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Eww. The only way out was if she somehow thought that Stalk was a form of tracking. Then it would make sense to Stalk a perceived skilled player. How obnoxious.

I'll leave my vote, anyway. I don't like being naked, and I don't yet see an obvious alternate target.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:19 pm

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animorpherv1 wrote:I give up. I stalked Adel.

Reasoning:

Adel is a good player -> What if he's cult -> If he is we're all screwed.
Lying about your night actions + preparing to murder a player N1 = murderer in the making/cultist fake claiming night actions ~
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:19 pm

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I see a new page pop up for a page I read.
Claiming was stupid.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:21 pm

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I'm more for a Lynch All Liars approach
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:21 pm

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semioldguy wrote:@Chaco (and animorpherz1 too I guess)
That explanation makes a lot more sense than laundering (but only because any explanation would make more sense than laundering). If he did stalk, then he MUST be town currently. I am still not certain of his honesty now though.
I think that we can now be certain of his honesty. He's lied already, who's to say he's not lying again now?
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Of the options I see, I'd put them in the following order of likeliness from most to least:

(1) Cult lying to explain a future insanity gain.
(2) Town that made a horrible Night Zero decision.
(3) Stalked night one in hopes of going Murderer.
Despite him now claiming that he in fact did #3, I still believe this to be #1. Either way, it's lynch worthy.
Iecerint wrote:Cue obligatory "That was awfully convenient..." @ Ani/Sajin. O_O
Are you trying to say that they set this up together? Seems like a bit of a reach.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:21 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:Why are people claiming noises and wards on the first page?
I know!

nobody felt like replying to this exchange either:
Wickedestjr in 71 wrote: Adel, can you explain why we should wait until later to claim. I don't get it.

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It seems odd to me that you are making such a big deal about us claiming, yet didn't start trying to change people's minds until many players had already claimed.
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Wickedestjr wrote:
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It seems odd to me that you are making such a big deal about us claiming, yet didn't start trying to change people's minds until many players had already claimed.
lol

it is much more odd that people started claiming before consensus was reached, or conversation even began. They started claiming before I had a chance to post.

Obviously, a person who played in the first game is cult in this game, and they decided to go with the full claims pronto.
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I believe that it is essential to lynch ani at this point. Riculaulsly anti-town play requires dicipline and punishment by lynch.

Giving people a pass for being "too scummy to be scum" isn't going to help us win.

He can't
prove
that he can't hammer, so his claim is not verifiable.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:21 pm

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Nicodemus wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:I give up. I stalked Adel.

Reasoning:

Adel is a good player -> What if he's cult -> If he is we're all screwed.
Lying about your night actions + preparing to murder a player N1 = murderer in the making/cultist fake claiming night actions ~
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:22 pm

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EBWOP: I meant Hallucination.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:22 pm

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I stopped reading since I'm temporarily not in the mood for any strategy talk.
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PREVIEW EDIT: Ani claimed stalking? lolz.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:22 pm

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Iecerint wrote:Eww. The only way out was if she somehow thought that Stalk was a form of tracking. Then it would make sense to Stalk a perceived skilled player. How obnoxious.

I'll leave my vote, anyway. I don't like being naked, and I don't yet see an obvious alternate target.
I'm not accusing you of scummy intentions, but it is typically a bad idea to tell people what their reasonable explaination should be.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:23 pm

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Adel wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:I give up. I stalked Adel.

Reasoning:

Adel is a good player -> What if he's cult -> If he is we're all screwed.
vote:animorpherv1
That is horrible reasoning adel.
animorpherv1 wrote:I agree. And just to make sure, it's only lynches, or is it a lynch, then the kill of the same day?
Good. Tonight there will only be one grave (the lynch) to rob. We shall see how many people are foolishly going murderer. You still agree to do this, yes?

@Ilord- Awesome question. I did not think of that one. So the assigned robber can rob 2 graves if needed....good. And we can force someone to rob TWO graves to make sure they did no other actions. Excellent for future planning.

@Seacore/Iec- Its actually a good thing that someone scummy is assigned to this task. The job I am advocating essentially requires them to be policy lynched/vigged before the murder win condition could kick in. I am going to get some use out of him before then.

Lynching someone stalking is obviously not going to be cultist and is therefore a very easy lynch to pursue for said cultists. Lynching a stalker is not the best option today. I do not believe Ani is cult, I believe his play is/was anti town. The best way to use Ani's player slot is for assigned grave robbing duties.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:23 pm

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Adel wrote: 2. they have players from the last Sars game
You speak like you have a list of the scum players in this game. It is hard for Investigators to make such bold assumptions.
iLord wrote: You believe him?
I believe he didn't Launder and that he stalked.
Chaco wrote: Obviously, yeah. Laundering would be stupid. So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?
If Adel gets killed and flips scum, why kill Ani? It takes 2 murders to be forced to become a murderer. All investigators, in a sense, have a 1 time free pass Vig. It just cost a night and an insanity to do it.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:23 pm

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semioldguy wrote:No. I would expect cult to discuss/coordinate their actions each night, but not necessarily to discuss all the plays/posts they make in game.

Case in point, Percy's last game. Daytalking scum made a boneheaded move and didn't consult their scumbuddy in their quicktopic prior to making it.
Hmm. That's actually quite valid. Do you believe that Ani is crafty enough to preemptively excuse insanities? Cause from what I see, I'd be quite surprised that CultAni held off on claiming cultist :roll:.
Adel wrote:I believe that it is essential to lynch ani at this point. Riculaulsly anti-town play requires dicipline and punishment by lynch.

Giving people a pass for being "too scummy to be scum" isn't going to help us win.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:23 pm

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Chaco wrote: So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?
I'm for currently looking elsewhere. I am against making a solid statement of what to do with Animorpherv1 if Adel is or is not successfully/unsuccessfully murdered. The bridge will be crossed when we come to it. Deciding those things now or in advance is speculative and not beneficial to town.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:25 pm

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Anyone who's against lynching Ani is crazy.
Using stalking as your action in this manner is anti-town, he poses a constant murderer risk, he needs to die.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:25 pm

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SlySly wrote:I believe he didn't Launder and that he stalked.
Why?
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:26 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:Anyone who's against lynching Ani is crazy.
Sajin?
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:27 pm

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semioldguy wrote:
Chaco wrote: So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?
I'm for currently looking elsewhere. I am against making a solid statement of what to do with Animorpherv1 if Adel is or is not successfully/unsuccessfully murdered. The bridge will be crossed when we come to it. Deciding those things now or in advance is speculative and not beneficial to town.
I guess it's of no use that I've chasnged my plan to search tomorrow?
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:28 pm

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semioldguy wrote:
Chaco wrote: So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?
I'm for currently looking elsewhere. I am against making a solid statement of what to do with Animorpherv1 if Adel is or is not successfully/unsuccessfully murdered. The bridge will be crossed when we come to it. Deciding those things now or in advance is speculative and not beneficial to town.
I'm for lynching him quickly and moving on to night before this spam fest leaves us with 75 pages of nosie.

I'm still not going to claim anythign on day 2.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:28 pm

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ani wrote:I guess it's of no use that I've chasnged my plan to search tomorrow?
You still didn't answer my question - why did you decide to stalk Adel even though you said that you have no faith in your scumhunting abilities?
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:29 pm

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Adel, how much of the last few pages is worth reading?
I'm already set on lynching Ani.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:29 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:Anyone who's against lynching Ani is crazy.
Using stalking as your action in this manner is anti-town, he poses a constant murderer risk, he needs to die.
Read my posts. Its an extremely easy lynch for cultists. And no its not strictly anti town to stalk.

I am trying to turn the would be murderer, into an asset for the investigation team. Do you oppose trying to gain an asset for the investigation team?
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Chaco wrote: So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?
I'm for currently looking elsewhere. I am against making a solid statement of what to do with Animorpherv1 if Adel is or is not successfully/unsuccessfully murdered. The bridge will be crossed when we come to it. Deciding those things now or in advance is speculative and not beneficial to town.
I guess it's of no use that I've chasnged my plan to search tomorrow?
As long as you grave rob as well.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:30 pm

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iLord wrote:
ani wrote:I guess it's of no use that I've chasnged my plan to search tomorrow?
You still didn't answer my question - why did you decide to stalk Adel even though you said that you have no faith in your scumhunting abilities?
I so totaly missed it. Becuas ei wasn't willing to take a risk.
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