Open 192: SCIENCE Mafia, Finished

[Pomegranate]

OK, I got one: How, if at all, would you play a seven-player game differently from a nine- or twelve-player game? Why?

I've only played one, and I was killed N1.

I think that in addition to being careful about wagons, the that days should be long, or at least up until deadline because IMO long days often gives more info.

Vote count

Cat (1): SaintKerrigan
StrangerCoug (1): Pomegranate
Pomegranate (2): StrangerCoug,Cat
malpascp (1): mykonian
SaintKerrigan (1): malpascp

Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[StrangerCoug]

On the other hand, Lylo is less dangerous as it is in other setups, as there is a chance we'll enter it with the masons alive: good.

Very interesting point.

[mykonian]

assuming that the first thing you think off is often correct, we should not have long days. That would only make second, third etc wagons making it to the lynch, which is not good for town. Short days are more accurate, and put more pressure on Scum's daygame, giving the same if not more information in less time.

IMO short days show a good working town.

[StrangerCoug]

assuming that the first thing you think off is often correct, we should not have long days. That would only make second, third etc wagons making it to the lynch, which is not good for town. Short days are more accurate, and put more pressure on Scum's daygame, giving the same if not more information in less time.

IMO short days show a good working town.

...if we nail scum in those short days.

[MrWhereItsAt]

I think a little more caution is called for simply because its already an endgame situation with only 7P.

[mykonian]

assuming that the first thing you think off is often correct, we should not have long days. That would only make second, third etc wagons making it to the lynch, which is not good for town. Short days are more accurate, and put more pressure on Scum's daygame, giving the same if not more information in less time.

IMO short days show a good working town.

...if we nail scum in those short days.

Not only then. Mislynching a townie in a fast game makes that scum had less time to position themselves well. If the game was so fast people couldn't play careful (riskfree) anymore, we would find scum more often. As scum are exactly the people that want to play carefully, to blend in.

Long day's tend to confuse the town, as information gets smeared out over much more posts and time, and harder to understand.

[StrangerCoug]

So you like it short and concise, is that correct, mykonian?

[Pomegranate]

assuming that the first thing you think off is often correct, we should not have long days. That would only make second, third etc wagons making it to the lynch, which is not good for town. Short days are more accurate, and put more pressure on Scum's daygame, giving the same if not more information in less time.

IMO short days show a good working town.

...if we nail scum in those short days.

Not only then. Mislynching a townie in a fast game makes that scum had less time to position themselves well. If the game was so fast people couldn't play careful (riskfree) anymore, we would find scum more often. As scum are exactly the people that want to play carefully, to blend in.

Long day's tend to confuse the town, as information gets smeared out over much more posts and time, and harder to understand.

But there is less wagon info to go on for the next day, as well as other info.

[mykonian]

assuming that the first thing you think off is often correct, we should not have long days. That would only make second, third etc wagons making it to the lynch, which is not good for town. Short days are more accurate, and put more pressure on Scum's daygame, giving the same if not more information in less time.

IMO short days show a good working town.

...if we nail scum in those short days.

Not only then. Mislynching a townie in a fast game makes that scum had less time to position themselves well. If the game was so fast people couldn't play careful (riskfree) anymore, we would find scum more often. As scum are exactly the people that want to play carefully, to blend in.

Long day's tend to confuse the town, as information gets smeared out over much more posts and time, and harder to understand.

But there is less wagon info to go on for the next day, as well as other info.

I think you haven't really understood what I have been saying. The wagon forming the lynch has been formed differently (faster, and more serious since everybody knows it could very well be the lynch already), that the information you get is worth more.

And SC, that is pretty much it. My own experience as scum is that I like long day's. Just give scum enough time to influence your reads and you are losing.

[Pomegranate]

Myk, I get what you mean, but I agree to disagree.

[SaintKerrigan]

I think a little more caution is called for simply because its already an endgame situation with only 7P.

How is it already an endgame situation?

Unvote: Cat. Vote: MrWhereItsAt.

[mykonian]

Myk, I get what you mean, but I agree to disagree.

I couldn't find that in your post

BTW, what are your scumtells, Pom?

[StrangerCoug]

I think a little more caution is called for simply because its already an endgame situation with only 7P.

How is it already an endgame situation?

Unvote: Cat. Vote: MrWhereItsAt.

I'm not liking the sudden jump here. I may disagree that we're already in the endgame, but misunderstanding of the setup is not a legitimate tell.

Unvote: Pomegranate
Vote: SaintKerrigan

[animorpherv1]

Vote count

SaintKerrigan (2): malpascp, StrangerCoug
MrWhereItsAt (1): SaintKerrigan
StrangerCoug (1): Pomegranate
Pomegranate (1): Cat
malpascp (1): mykonian


Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[mykonian]

I agree with SC, that was my first feeling too.

L-1

Vote SaintKerrigan

Not a jokevote, if someone thinks that.

[SaintKerrigan]

So, I'm at L-1 for only one reason? There are some reasons that are good enough to put people at L-1 for (and thus risk their lynch), but using something other people don't consider a tell is not one of them. In fact, it may not have been the reason that I voted for MrWhereItsAt at all.

I considered it odd that MWIA would misunderstand the setup, and seeing that he had no votes on him, I voted him to see how he would respond. Of course, since I now have to explain the reason I voted him in order to prevent my lynch, this vote becomes totally pointless.

Unvote: MrWhereItsAt

.

I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely for agreeing with SC. I mean, SC putting me at L-2 for that reason was fine, but you putting me at risk for a lynch for that same reason is something else entirely. I smell opportunism.

Vote: Mykonian.

[StrangerCoug]

MrWhereItsAt should still explain why he thinks we're in an endgame scenario already. As I said, I disagree with that stance also.

[animorpherv1]

mykonian, you forgot to unvote.

Vote count

SaintKerrigan (2): malpascp, StrangerCoug
mykonian (1): SaintKerrigan
StrangerCoug (1): Pomegranate
Pomegranate (1): Cat
malpascp (1): mykonian

Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[SaintKerrigan]

I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely for agreeing with SC.

This is misspoken. It should read, "I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely because he agreed with SC's reason for voting me."

What do the rest of you think about this?

[StrangerCoug]

I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely for agreeing with SC.

This is misspoken. It should read, "I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely because he agreed with SC's reason for voting me."

What do the rest of you think about this?

While I stand by what I said, mykonian's behavior is disturbing (therefore, I should

FoS

him). What would disturb me even more is if you were hammered just for that and flip town.

I know animorpherv1 said mykonian's vote doesn't count, but I still don't want a lynch so soon, so

unvote: SaintKerrigan

[mykonian]

Well, that was the first use of that vote.

I am very much disappointed in this town, where the reason "I would be disturbed if the lynch was on town" is a reason to unvote and

do nothing afterwards

. Seriously, I warned you 3 posts ahead that I would be doing this, and still the first reaction you have is: "Did he really do that?" followed by a reflexive "unvote".

I would be ok with SC questioning me, I would be ok, with him voting me, I would be ok with him leaving his vote, or moving it to someone completely different for whatever reason, but this is no town behaviour. SC uses his unvote to

seem

towny, as in "see how good I am, I am trying to avoid a mislynch!", while his objective should be to find scum. This is even more obvious seen that my vote actually didn't go through.

Who is more disturbing, the person eager to lynch, or the person that only unvotes, doing no scumhunting at all afterwards?

unvote vote Strangercoug

[mykonian]

and wait a minute:

myk votes StK
StK votes myk
StK asks the rest of the town what they think of it.

I don't like this at all. Since it is obvious from the start that the rest of the game disagreed with my ideas about a day, and seen the site meta, the answer on the question what you think about it is probably the same as SC's (disturbing). You might even find it scummy (though I wouldn't know why). The fact that StK doesn't argue for votes for me, but in stead uses something that is like a rhetorical question sounds like manipulation of the town to me.

StK: why did you ask that question, if it wasn't to argue for my lynch?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mykonian: Because I wanted the town's opinion on what you did. How is asking the town a question manipulating the town?

[mykonian]

@ Mykonian: Because I wanted the town's opinion on what you did. How is asking the town a question manipulating the town?

Next question: what answer do you expect, and by how many of the players would you expect that answer (excluding you and me)

I stated that I found this question near-rhetorical, do you agree?

[SaintKerrigan]

Answer my question first, please.