Open 192: SCIENCE Mafia, Finished

[Pomegranate]

You seem to be scared I am trying to make bandwagons. For that to happen, wouldn't I have to concentrate on one player? Wouldn't it be a better idea not to attack practically the whole town? You seem to be scared I am organizing mislynches.

If multiple cases and votes is what makes you scared, is calming down and wait a moment the thing I should do?

If you see a BW doesn't fly, you unvote.

^^^ I meant if you're scum, to clarify.

Vote count

mykonian (2): StrangerCoug,malpascp
Pomegranate (1): Cat
Cat (1): SaintKerrigan
malpascp (1): mykoanian


Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[mykonian]

Regardless from that, SC's reluctance to talk about is scummy. VI's don't get a free pass, though scum like to have them in the game. SC's "end of discussion" is a way of defending Malpa. (doesn't matter if malpa is scum or not).

Says the person flailing like mad. I don't care if malpascp bumbles through this game like a three-year-old that does not understand the consequences of his actions; we are not lynching him as I do not see a legitimate case on him.

Uhm, why would town come up with the day-talking argument? TBH, I hadn't noticed, while it was the first thing that was on Malpa's mind. Then he comes up with a conspiracy theory. It all could have been done much easier by assuming any combination of roles to get this interaction.

And why are you so eager to defend him? This feels a lot like buddying to me.

FoS SC

@pom. How can I be convince on page 4 or earlier?

Further, also as town, unvoting in such a situation is best. If nobody agrees with you on the lynch a vote there is "wasted". This is mostly while coming to the conclusion of the day.

[Pomegranate]

@pom. How can I be convince on page 4 or earlier?

Well, I don't expect you to vote unless you're convinced, especially when it takes only 4 to lynch.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm convinced enough to put you back at L-1 right now, as it happens. It's not like you've given any reason to explain yourself.

Unvote; Vote: mykonian

.

[StrangerCoug]

And why are you so eager to defend him? This feels a lot like buddying to me.

FoS SC

You know why I'm so eager to defend malpascp? I'm his day mason. Your rolefishing has disabled you from being saved. Goodbye.

[animorpherv1]

SaimtKerrigan has reuqested replacement. Hoping to get someone soon

[Pomegranate]

I'd want someone to hammer myko, but it's only page five....

[animorpherv1]

wolframnhart replaces SaintKerrigan and Flareonage is our replacement.

[wolframnhart]

Hello all! Happy to help out and replace into a game here.

I have a question(s) from my read through.

SK, Malp claimed he believed you and Myo to be scum, yet you claim Malp to be your day mason. Was this even a serious claim? It would seem odd for your apparent day mason to even remotely link you to being a scum.

[Pomegranate]

wolframnhart replaces SaintKerrigan and Flareonage is our replacement.

What is meant by "our replacement"?

[wolframnhart]

I believe he means Flare is a ready to replace if someone leave replacement.

[Pomegranate]

Okay, so he's a backup replacement.

[mykonian]

And why are you so eager to defend him? This feels a lot like buddying to me.

FoS SC

You know why I'm so eager to defend malpascp? I'm his day mason. Your rolefishing has disabled you from being saved. Goodbye.

SC... you don't claim the only powerrole we have this easily. Further, if I see someone defend another without reason, that could just be as easily buddying. I have never asked for a claim of whatever, so I was not rolefishing here, but trying to find scum.

However, from my point of view, this is going on:

Malpa/SC (masons, most likely)
Stk now wolframnhart: Town
Pome neutral leaning town.

This leaves only cat and Mr for me.

unvote

btw.

[mykonian]

@pom. How can I be convince on page 4 or earlier?

Well, I don't expect you to vote unless you're convinced, especially when it takes only 4 to lynch.

since we could quicklynch? That never happens. To use your votes for clarity and for pressure is not antitown, and far from scummy.

[mykonian]

Ok, with 3 out of my townie list on me, I don't believe I have a chance.

just take this with you for the next day: Wolf is town. That should help in Lylo

[mykonian]

Hello all! Happy to help out and replace into a game here.

I have a question(s) from my read through.

SK, Malp claimed he believed you and Myo to be scum, yet you claim Malp to be your day mason. Was this even a serious claim? It would seem odd for your apparent day mason to even remotely link you to being a scum.

You confuse strangercough and Saintkerrigan

[wolframnhart]

Ah yes i typed the initials wrong, thanks for pointing that out Myo.

Question goes to SC.

Also Myo if you have narrowed the list of suspects down to Cat or Mr why did you not vote either of them?

[mykonian]

I think it has no use. The more I do, the more people are weary I am doing something behind their backs. I am voted by one for being votehoppy, by someone who thinks I was rolefishing, and lastly by one who thinks I organized via daytalking the L-1 of StK.

If I were to vote now, people would just put that in the same list as the rest, and think I was just trying to divert attention. While the new information that Malpa and SC are likely the masons was the thing that made me say it.

Maybe it'll save me: This isn't the first time day one went this way, where it seems I am pushing too hard, afterwards. This is the reason behind my sig, as it is often that people won't listen to my reasonings and believe I am trying to convince them of something untrue (that there is a conspiracy). I think it is because I argue in a wrong way, but if I had found that out, it wouldn't happen anymore

[wolframnhart]

But see I am not 100% sure that SC and Malp are the day masons, only because it is so odd that Malp would suggest that SC would be scum, so I haven't cleared them off my list.

But then again no one has counter claimed so maybe it is truth *shrug*

[mykonian]

SC would never do it as town.

Scum would lose after a counterclaim.

which means that a fakeclaim is not going to happen.

[wolframnhart]

Sc would never do what as town?

[mykonian]

fakeclaim mason.

[Pomegranate]

Why would anyone fakeclaim mason if he/she was town?

[mykonian]

I have seen a town fakeclaim jailkeeper in an open setup, so it happens.

but SC wouldn't do it, so that is not an option. Why would you ask?

[Pomegranate]

I've seen town fakeclaim. But knowing the setup, and knowing SC, this isn't the case.

[StrangerCoug]

And why are you so eager to defend him? This feels a lot like buddying to me.

FoS SC

You know why I'm so eager to defend malpascp? I'm his day mason. Your rolefishing has disabled you from being saved. Goodbye.

SC... you don't claim the only powerrole we have this easily.

I didn't want to claim. Yes, scum won this battle. However, they will lose the war if we can help it.

Further, if I see someone defend another without reason, that could just be as easily buddying. I have never asked for a claim of whatever, so I was not rolefishing here, but trying to find scum.

News flash #1: There are some situations where it's fine for town to defend town. Cop with an innocent is the situation that comes to mind most often, but mod-confirmed masons are another situation where buddying is OK. It is dangerous for a two-person Mafia team to buddy to each other.

News flash #2: My scum meta is that I bus or go after a VT more often than I buddy to someone.

Hello all! Happy to help out and replace into a game here.

I have a question(s) from my read through.

SK, Malp claimed he believed you and Myo to be scum, yet you claim Malp to be your day mason. Was this even a serious claim? It would seem odd for your apparent day mason to even remotely link you to being a scum.

You confuse strangercough and Saintkerrigan

And you, mykonian, confuse coughing and cougars.

Anyway, now that I know that wolframnhart is talking to me, malpascp made no such post. malpascp suggested mykonian and SaintKerrigan, not mykonian and me, to be scum together. Yes, I seriously mean that claim. Anybody in this game even thinking about fakeclaiming mason is suicidal.