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[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Seacore

- 6 - BloodCovenent, Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, elvis_knits, Cobalt, chamber - (L-6)

FishytheFish

- 2 - Dramonic, budja - (L-10)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Vi - (L-11)

Dramonic

- 1 - devotress - (L-11)

Cobalt

- 1 - Seacore - (L-11)

BloodCovenent

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

Players not voting: Vaya, TonyMontana, SerialClergyman, Plum, FishytheFish, Farside22, Faraday, drippinggoofball, Cruciare, Benmage

Nice try, Seacore, but that's totally unreasonable.
1) There is zero reason for a town player to choose the framer role.
2) There is zero reason for a scum player to claim framer.

I think one of your partners picked framer, and you wanted to set up town cred for them.

Actually, there is a reason for town to choose framer. So scum can't. I thought of it and so did Budja. Your absolute statements are not helping anybody, nor are your quotes of your own comments that are on the same page.

[Vi]

lol, half the game hasn't even posted yet and you assume scum is on your wagon?

quit making me think you're scum

[Cobalt]

it's ok, I ain't scum.

[SerialClergyman]

I disagree specifically for framer. I see no pro-town reason to keep the framer quiet and no anti-town reason to have them claim (aside from perhaps failing to draw a night kill). I'd also expect them never to use their ability if they were town.

I am impressed with the effort but unimpressed iwth the result of the Seacore case.

although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick, since there's no communication during this time.

However, not until after the draft is finished will you know any partners you may possess.

No communication =/= not knowing who your partners are. It's not similar enough to convict and not different enough to clear, in my (sdmittedly vague) opinion.

[Vi]

[quote="SerialClergyman 78"]I am impressed with the effort but unimpressed iwth the result of the Seacore case.

[stuff I just said]

/quote]In English, that means...

[Vi]

EBWOP:

I am impressed with the effort but unimpressed iwth the result of the Seacore case.

[stuff I just said]

In English, that means...

[SerialClergyman]

As some of you know, I love a good mass claim, and had considered it.

One advantage is that it's very hard to lie with the system we have set up. If noone was to claim vig, for example, then any VT could point out they had chosen vig and were denied. We could then look at all of the VTs above that person in the draft more closely.

The problem is the standard problem with massclaims, which is that our roles are exposed.

At the moment, espcially with the amount of interference roles like blocker, cop and driver, I think it's not worth it, but it's not the worst idea ever either.

[Vi]

That's not what I asked you to clarify...

[SerialClergyman]

In English - you're saying that Seacore is likely to be scum because he had specific knowledge that there was no communication between partners.

However, in actual fact he wasn't told who his partners were. Which is significantly different to being told he was not allowed to communicate with them.

To me this suggests that he read the setup info and was just stating a fact, not that he was echoing specific communication given to him by the mod because he is in a scum team.

So I think your point is unlikely to be telling either way.

[SerialClergyman]

As judged by the 3 minute difference between our posts, I wasn't replying to you.

[Vi]

There is room for misinterpretation there, though. Based on your reactions up to this point, I think my initial look was wrong. So--

This doesn't look familiar?

Is Seacore Town, or scum?

[SerialClergyman]

What's with the prickliness? Are you usually like this when in game?

I'm not attacking you over it, the part where I say I was impressed with the effort means I liked the attempt you made to find scum, I just wasn't convinced. If you mention lightly that there is room for misinterpretation then good on you, I still have a responsibility to go through it more thoroughly if I see somethign more in it that hasn't been thoroughly addressed.

I have no idea if Seacore is scum or town.

[Seacore]

He's an idea I was playing with while cleaning just now.

What if, starting at the bottom of the draft, Vanillas claimed, stating what their request was.

It doesn't (until we get close to the top) really pinpoint who has the role, just that its out there and somewhere above that person. It gives us a bit to work with.
It gives the scum more, which is a downside, but that's the downside of every claim.

[Cobalt]

Why are you so fixed on getting role info out? Why can't we just scumhunt?

[Seacore]

EBWOP,

He's = here's, obviously.

To go further with what I was saying, it means a bunch of us will have to claim that we have a role. But I think enough of us will have roles, so its not a big deal.

[Seacore]

Because, getting a bit of role info out, on what is likely a heavily role infested game, gives us a lot to work with.
And I've already seen the effect of your scum hunting techniques, you vote for an innocent guy (granted I'm the only one who knows this for 100%)

And who says I'm not scum hunting, just because I don't make a big noise doesn't mean I'm not looking closely at peoples posts. But I like to wait until I have something.

[SerialClergyman]

I thought about that as well, but I don't like it. If every VT is exposed, then every power role is by nature as well. The scum would be garuanteed of hitting a PR each kill. It also doesn't hugely benefit us to know which roles are out there.

[Vi]

What's with the prickliness? Are you usually like this when in game?

For better or worse.

I have no idea if Seacore is scum or town.

Do you think Seacore has provided us any information that could help us determine his alignment?

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Why are you so fixed on getting role info out? Why can't we just scumhunt?

Very much this.
I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not

now

.

[Seacore]

I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not now.

I agree, not now, but if we ask for info now, sometimes scum forget the info they gave by day 3

[Cobalt]

I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not now.

I agree, not now, but if we ask for info now, sometimes scum forget the info they gave by day 3

What?

[Devotress]

Unvote

Because we moved out of jokie phase really fast.

vote seacore

Okay, I believe he was role fishing now. What serial clergyman said. You're giving scum a list of who to kill for the first few days, remembering that there's up to 4 anti town faction kills every day.

[Seacore]

I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not now.

I agree, not now, but if we ask for info now, sometimes scum forget the info they gave by day 3

What?

Sigh, I don't think this is hard to follow.

Information from scum on Day 1 locks them in. They have to lie and maintain consistency, or tell the truth and get locked into what they've said.

I don't think I'll get a day 1 lynch out of this information.
But I think we might be able to get a day 2+ lynch out of it.


Also, keep in mind that scum will be actively hunting each other and the SK, and the Vig if there is one, because having the only NK is a pretty sweet deal.

[Seacore]

Anyway, Cobalt is irritating me, maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm unwell, but I'm going to log off for a bit, to avoid posting with emotion.

[Cobalt]

but it's easy to lie in this game. Pick any role and either
a) scum has it, in which case they won't CC
b) town has it, they CC, and you go 1 for 1 with the only version of a PR

[SerialClergyman]

If you're usually like this then you're usually like this, Vi - I didn't know if it's standard or not and thought I'd check from the horses' mouth. It's not my style but you know, so it goes.

Seacore has put forward enough content that it's possible to get a read on his alignment, I personally do not have one.

I dislike Devotress's vote though, and will put my money where my mouth is. I've had a theory for a while that the first person to accuse someone of role fishing is scum. This has been built up over a few games of getting accused of fishing or watchign other townies getting accused of fishing, and it almost always is one of those things that scum feel so unapproachably correct in doing that they jump at the chance.

Vote devotress