Open 167 - Pie E7 Game over, quick like. before 844

[afatchic]

I switch quicklynches and random lynches because in the way I understand, it's the SAME FLIPPING THING. Lynch w/o info = quicklynch. Lynch w/o info = randomlynch/

QuickLynch=Premature lynch, or fast lynch
Random lynch= Lynch occur off some random votes. I.E. a Lynch from the RVS. Or a lynch based on no information for no reason other than to lynch someone.

Those are my thoughts on that.

[Sotty7]

Vote count 1.b

Netlava [2]: jasonT1981, Toro

afatchic [1]: Haylen
Zachrulez [1]:CSL
Toro [1]: afatchic

Not voting [2]: Zachrulez, Netlava

With

7

players alive it takes

4

to lynch

Deadline: Wednesday 23rd of September at midnight CST.

afatchic's V/AL is noted. Have a happy b'day

[jasonT1981]

wow, come back to a lot to read, I notice my vote got alot of tongues wagging, Well good... I thought most people would see the funny side of my vote

Netlava asked if anyone was up for a quick lynch so I said sure, and voted her to be ironic. Take that as you will, I knew a quick lynch would not happen in the RVS anyway...

Not to happy doing a random lynch though, I have always preferred to go by in game talk rather than random lynch, especially in such a small game where a mislynch and successful night kill will put us at Lynch or Lose.

the fact Netlava has not taken this into consideration upon suggesting a random lynch as a plan all be it even as a backup plan is quite interesting though.

[jasonT1981]

Why do you prefer shorter days?

Longer days lead to more boring games which lead to inactivity which lead to apathy = bad for town.

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I am very uneasy with this statement, almost as if Netlava here does not want discussion and wants a short day, what possible reason would a town member have for suggesting a quick day, where information could be missed? - None

What possible reason could scum? - every

So you will take quicklynches as a back-up option yet you wish for a short day...

I think you might soon get your wish...

Unvote

Vote: Netlava

agreed and very understandable vote here.

I agree. Toro's vote seemed like an intentional misinterpretation of my points. I'm waiting to see how he arrived at that conclusion, though.

I don't actually see how it is a misinterpretation... you suggested quick lynch and random lynch, both work against the town more than they work for the town.

It was a joke intended to elicit a reaction. I made it clear afterwards that I don't actually support a quicklynch.

you call for it, yet when I vote for you joking about making a quick lynch you jump all over me? how does that sit?

Unvote, vote: Toro

OMGUS!!!

Quicklynch, Random Lynch, to me it sounds as if you just want to play russian roulette with your 'fellow' townmembers.

wait... fellow townmembers... you would have to know he is town to make such a statement, there is only one way you could know he is town and playing russian roulette with his 'fellow' town members and that is if you are scum and know he is town.

HOS:Toro

You don't think there's a difference between quicklynch or random lynch?

A random lynch is not an inferior strategy to a non-random lynch. Townie reads aren't perfect, either.

A quicklynch is an inferior strategy.

both are inferiour stratagy for town to do.... causes more harm than it does good.

The assumption is that power roles claim like they're supposed to if they meet an unlucky roll.

role fishing for power roles here maybe? you want a quick lynch to out possible power roles is how I read this... noted for future reference.

Btw, do you think that random lynches & quicklynches are equivalently inferior?

both are completly dumb in a 7 player game where we would be in a Lynch or lose scanario

I think a random lynch ends up with more info in the end.

I am really beginning to think your lynch will end up giving us more info, how would ANY random lynch give us information, maybe you just want to take a chance to lynch a power role?

I think a random lynch ends up with more info in the end.

See, now that's the confusing part for me.

I don't see how randomly lynching gives you more information when less discussion results from it.

exactly

Right now I am happy with my vote, it seems Netlaa wants to get a lynch done and dusted as quickly as possible or at least out a power role in waggoning a quick lynch. His play is very anti-town whatever way you look at it. But Toro's 'fellow townmembers' comment alarms me as a possile slip, maybe im looking at it wrong but I see it like that

[afatchic]

I see nothing wrong with NetLava's statement that really long days are bad for everyone. When people force themselves to stick to the tradition that you must have long days, the game gets boring, people lose interest, and people start to flake. With that said, i don't think he meant that he wanted to end the day now, or make a quick lynch, atleast thats what i am saying. I think more or less he meant that dragging a day out is bad for a game, and i see nothing wrong with that statement, which is most of the reason he is under pressure at the moment.

[Toro]

wait... fellow townmembers... you would have to know he is town to make such a statement, there is only one way you could know he is town and playing russian roulette with his 'fellow' town members and that is if you are scum and know he is town.

HOS:Toro

Jason, notice that I wrote 'fellow' not fellow. When I wrote that I was saying that

if

he was a town player then why would he be taking a larger chance at killing some of his other town-aligned partners then taking out scum?

I wasn't saying he is a townmember, because I completely believe he isn't.

[CSL]

Well...it seems the RVS is over, so I'm just going to

unvote

[jasonT1981]

Well...it seems the RVS is over, so I'm just going to

unvote

I think its well and truly over, care to add anything more to your unvote? any thoughts, theories?

I find it hard to believe you just unvote without commenting on anything else that has happened

[CSL]

@ jason: Give me time, I just woke up.

[Toro]

@ jason: Give me time, I just woke up.

You just woke up now? Or 13 hours ago?

*raises eyebrow*

[Zachrulez]

@ jason: Give me time, I just woke up.

How much more time do you need?

[Toro]

Y'know, for someone with full access on weekends he's certainly dodging the questions.

Time for an in-game prod!

Unvote

Vote: CSL

[Netlava]

Alright, I'm going to have to explain this concept here, it's called RANDOM. That means that even though town might get lynched, scum might get lynched too (gasp).

That said, I don't really care for random lynching. I made it clear from point A that's it's called a BACK-UP option. Meaning, I prefer to lynch who I find suspicious, as soon as I do find someone suspicious.

[Netlava]

you call for it, yet when I vote for you joking about making a quick lynch you jump all over me? how does that sit?

I didn't jump all over you. I pointed out my initial impression of you, which I also happened to call an "initial impression."

I am really beginning to think your lynch will end up giving us more info, how would ANY random lynch give us information, maybe you just want to take a chance to lynch a power role?

How would my lynch give more info than any other lynch?

I don't actually see how it is a misinterpretation... you suggested quick lynch and random lynch, both work against the town more than they work for the town.

A quicklynch and a random lynch are 2 different things.

So you will take quicklynches as a back-up option yet you wish for a short day...

Would you agree that having "quicklynches" in the above quote instead of "random lynches" sounds worse?

Random/Quick Lynch: A lynch w/o much info. You want to off a power role go ahead, be my guest.

How would a random/quick lynch off a power role more so than any other lynch?

When I wrote that I was saying that if he was a town player then why would he be taking a larger chance at killing some of his other town-aligned partners then taking out scum?

...Because I don't know who my town-aligned partners are?

[Netlava]

Y'know, for someone with full access on weekends he's certainly dodging the questions.

Time for an in-game prod!

Unvote

Vote: CSL

Prodding inactives is good and all, but I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "dodging the questions."

[Netlava]

Heh, I think it's funny CSL "just woke up" 6 hours after he posts.

[Sotty7]

Mod note: CSL is V/LA until Wed. With the holiday weekend I will check for prods starting tomorrow.

Carry on.

[Toro]

Y'know, for someone with full access on weekends he's certainly dodging the questions.

Time for an in-game prod!

Unvote

Vote: CSL

Prodding inactives is good and all, but I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "dodging the questions."

By that I meant just not showing up at all.

Would you agree that having "quicklynches" in the above quote instead of "random lynches" sounds worse?

Both are equally bad, haven't we gone over this?

How would a random/quick lynch off a power role more so than any other lynch?

Because they wouldn't get the chance to claim to save themself.

...Because I don't know who my town-aligned partners are?

Let me clarify what I meant here, by partners I just meant like other townmembers. Wasn't saying you were a mason or anything though.

[Zachrulez]

I am interested in hearing more from CSL and Haylen. I'm kinda stuck here in limbo while I wait for that to happen.

[jasonT1981]

you call for it, yet when I vote for you joking about making a quick lynch you jump all over me? how does that sit?

I didn't jump all over you. I pointed out my initial impression of you, which I also happened to call an "initial impression."

I beg to differ... you even named me as your top suspect

Anyways, atm jason is my top suspect. Jason's "sure" gives me a weird feeling. Almost like he secretly wants me to get quicklynched.

Yeah, that's what jason's vote looks like and what it's likely to be. But at the same time, it doesn't really discount the idea of a quicklynch, even though that's what he's voting me for (presumably jokingly, of course). That's why I get a bad initial impression of it.

.

I was hoping for more of a reaction to it.

Jason's vote is the one that felt weird to me.

So yea, I see that as all over me....

@ jason: Give me time, I just woke up.

that was over 24 hours ago.....

Alright, I'm going to have to explain this concept here, it's called RANDOM. That means that even though town might get lynched, scum might get lynched too (gasp).

That said, I don't really care for random lynching. I made it clear from point A that's it's called a BACK-UP option. Meaning, I prefer to lynch who I find suspicious, as soon as I do find someone suspicious.

I think its best we lynch on evidence, I will point this out AGAIN

RANDOM LYNCH IN A 7 PLAYER GAME WILL PUT US AT LYNCH OR LOSE!!!!!

But you already have me as your top suspect, so instead of spouting this crap on random lynches why have you not started to build your case against me? after all I am your top suspect and already have found me suspicious?

Mod note: CSL is V/LA until Wed. With the holiday weekend I will check for prods starting tomorrow.

Carry on.

fair enough, I will wait until he returns to pressure him some more

Netlava, you have me as your top suspect, you say you want to lynch suspicious people...well if I am your top suspect I ask you then to start building your case on me... Stop with this random lynch crap once and for all and realize it is a retarted option only benifiting scum

[Netlava]

I beg to differ... you even named me as your top suspect

It was at the start of the game. But I didn't vote you at the time.

RANDOM LYNCH IN A 7 PLAYER GAME WILL PUT US AT LYNCH OR LOSE!!!!!

So will mislynching...

And a random lynch might also hit scum.

But you already have me as your top suspect, so instead of spouting this crap on random lynches why have you not started to build your case against me? after all I am your top suspect and already have found me suspicious?

Why do you think I haven't started to build a case on you? (curious)

[jasonT1981]

I must also point out, I find it funny I am mentioned as his top suspect he has yet to even put a

FOS,

let alone a vote on me...

weird eh?

[Netlava]

What's weird about that? Or is there a pattern here?

[Haylen]

I'm rereading. Sorry, been busy.

[jasonT1981]

Sim post with Netlava there, I don't know why you have not started to build a case on me? maybe you don't think there is a strong enough one? anyhow, as your suspicion on me was, as you say at the beginning of the game who would you say is your top suspects now?

Yes, so will mis-lynching put us at LyoL however it would give us more info (due to generated discussion in day 1) than a random lynch as you are basically playing Russian rolloute