Battle Mafia: Game Over

DTMaster · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:01 pm

@Shanba/Volk discussion
I just realized I didn't comment on this, I thought I posted something. >>;;. I understand that point much more clearer now but I'll consider the miller claim by itself as a null-sign with the need to look at Seraphim with scrutiny. If he is scum then more evidence will arise that will point me in that direction, if he isn't then it will not.

@Tubby and Vi
Awww a loving bud is blooming.

(I'm following the whole cybersex theme here so regard this as banter)

@Vi
DT stands for.. um its a Starcraft refrence from my first Gamer Tag (Dark Templar cough cough cough) Ironically though my name is Dan so I'm the master (but not in this game)

@Nik
Aggression doesn't hurt in small doses now. :<

Nikanor · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:15 pm

volkan wrote:I hope you realise that simply using the phrase "Lynch all X" doesn't actually justify a vote.
1) What is your basis for saying he is pushy?
2) What is your basis for saying he is usually not pushy?
3) Why is being more pushy a scumtell?

Yes, I do realise that. However, I like to jump from person to person during the RVS as I see reactions and relative scumminess change. DTM's post activated my gut, so I voted him.
1) Well, he does seem pushy from the post I quoted, do you not agree?
2) His other games. I have been in two games with him. While I won't use ongoing games as evidence, I can link you to his first game in which he was a townie. Maybe I'm missing some things because I just skimmed over the game, but he does not seem as pushy in that game as he does in this one. I'd like for cicero or tubby to provide their opinions here, since they would know first-hand what DTM was like in that game.
Here's the link for anyone who would like to look into it.
3) I said it was a discrepancy, which is a type of scumtell. It may just be a playstyle change, but it's the best I have going right now.

SpyreX · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:26 pm

@Nik:

Do you see anything that would be not-RVS worthy so far in this game?

Would you jump votes not in the RVS for reactions?

SpyreX · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:38 pm

Mari wrote:Oi. First game back and already my brain wants to curl up in a corner and cry.

I think I missed the reasoning for the wagons on BloodCovenent and Haylen. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Why just those two and not Volkan? Are you saying there's a reason for his?

Nikanor · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:40 pm

SpyreX wrote:Do you see anything that would be not-RVS worthy so far in this game?

Oh, sorry. I made an error in my last post. I should have said that I like vote-hopping

directly after

the RVS, not during. Obviously if I'm voting people for even semi-legitimate reasons (such as gut based on what someone said), I don't think we're in the RVS anymore.

SpyreX · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:45 pm

... Grrrr.

You win this round with your "sense" and "correcting yourself without coming off scummy as all getout".

Nikanor · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:58 pm

Yeah. I do that a lot.

SpyreX · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:25 pm

I'd still really like BC to answer the question I asked him.

DTMaster · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:35 pm

Actually I agree with Nik since contradictions/discrepancies are a good point to go after. Chalk it up for similar mafia theory thought.

Though I don't think my comments were

that unusually aggressive

. :<

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:29 pm

GIEFF wrote:Nope. You have no idea what the mod meant by "first to enter the room?"

most likely it is a randomly generated choice with flavor.

vollkan · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:40 pm

Nikanor wrote:
volkan wrote:I hope you realise that simply using the phrase "Lynch all X" doesn't actually justify a vote.
1) What is your basis for saying he is pushy?
2) What is your basis for saying he is usually not pushy?
3) Why is being more pushy a scumtell?
Yes, I do realise that. However, I like to jump from person to person during the RVS as I see reactions and relative scumminess change. DTM's post activated my gut, so I voted him.
1) Well, he does seem pushy from the post I quoted, do you not agree?
2) His other games. I have been in two games with him. While I won't use ongoing games as evidence, I can link you to his first game in which he was a townie. Maybe I'm missing some things because I just skimmed over the game, but he does not seem as pushy in that game as he does in this one. I'd like for cicero or tubby to provide their opinions here, since they would know first-hand what DTM was like in that game.
Here's the link for anyone who would like to look into it.
3) I said it was a discrepancy, which is a type of scumtell. It may just be a playstyle change, but it's the best I have going right now.

Pushy? Not really. "Explain yourself" is hardly a pushy statement given that seeking explanations is a pretty big part of Mafia, and something like "Explain yourself when you are comfortable doing so" or "Explain yourself, when it suits you" just sounds stupid. If you see something which warrants explanation, that usually means you think it is scummy, which itself would justify "Explain yourself, now"

As for the discrepancies thing, the problem I have is that it rests on an assumption that the change in conduct is caused by a change alignment. I know it's early days, but that doesn't really justify downplaying the fact that discrepancies have a vast array potential of causes (who the other people are in the game, mood, level of interest in the game, etc. all operate all the time)

Battle Mage · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:12 am

Vote Count

Vollkan 4 (CKD, CKD, CKD, BloodCovenent)
BloodCovenent 3 (Vollkan, IH, Seraphim)
Haylen 2 (Randomlunatic, Crazy)
SpyreX 2 (Charter, Tubby)
Randomlunatic 2 (Shanba, Haylen)
CKD 2 (ElectricBadger, Gieff)
Gieff 2 (Benmage, DTMaster)
Charter 1 (SpyreX)
Yosarian2 1 (Cicero)
Benmage 1 (Vi)
DTMaster 1 (Nikanor)

Not Voting (5): Alkaline, Populartajo, Yosarian2, Mariyta, ZazieR

Please let me know if this needs correcting at all.

With 26 votes in play, 14 votes are required to lynch. Currently, Vollkan would be lynched.

BM

Battle Mage · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:14 am

ZazieR, Alkaline and Populartajo have been prodded.

BM

Alkaline · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:18 am

oi sorry for the inactivity. Didn't notice game had started. Will read on and start talking.

Mariyta · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:19 am

SpyreX wrote:
Mari wrote:Oi. First game back and already my brain wants to curl up in a corner and cry.

I think I missed the reasoning for the wagons on BloodCovenent and Haylen. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Why just those two and not Volkan? Are you saying there's a reason for his?

I don't see the votes on Volkan as a bandwagon. Technically it's only two people. One of them just has three votes. And Haylen doesn't have a wagon anymore. So I'll have to read over the whole BC thing again tonight.

IH · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:41 am

spyrex wrote:Yo BC, volkan vote: Serious or Not?

You be the judge!

FoS:Spyrex

To forgiving. Mild coaching. Trying to give a player an excuse.

GIEFF wrote: It's not random, but I'm not going to give my reasons right now.

Secret scumtells are scummy. To much of a copout.

votecount wrote:Vote Count

Vollkan 4 (CKD, CKD, CKD, BloodCovenent)

Haylen 3 (Randomlunatic, Nikanor, Crazy)
BloodCovenent 3 (Vollkan, IH, Seraphim)
SpyreX 2 (Charter, Tubby)
Randomlunatic 2 (Shanba, Haylen)
CKD 2 (ElectricBadger, Gieff)
Gieff 2 (Benmage, DTMaster)
Charter 1 (SpyreX)
Yosarian2 1 (Cicero)
Benmage 1 (Vi)

Not Voting (5): Alkaline, Populartajo, Yosarian2, Mariyta, ZazieR

Please let me know if this needs correcting at all.

With 26 votes in play, 14 votes are required to lynch. Currently, Vollkan would be lynched.

BM

populartajo · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:16 am

Work. Busy. Shit. V/LA. Tomorrow night.

BloodCovenent · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:55 am

populartajo wrote:
Work. Busy. Shit. V/LA. Tomorrow night.

Same thing for me. Getting ready for college, while still working a shitload of hours. I seriously apologize. Your questions will be answered tomorrow, I promise.

Nikanor · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:58 am

volkan wrote:Pushy? Not really. "Explain yourself" is hardly a pushy statement given that seeking explanations is a pretty big part of Mafia, and something like "Explain yourself when you are comfortable doing so" or "Explain yourself, when it suits you" just sounds stupid. If you see something which warrants explanation, that usually means you think it is scummy, which itself would justify "Explain yourself, now"

It's just that I would expect DTM to say, 'Explain yourself, please,' rather than, 'Explain yourself, now.'

As for the discrepancies thing, the problem I have is that it rests on an assumption that the change in conduct is caused by a change alignment. I know it's early days, but that doesn't really justify downplaying the fact that discrepancies have a vast array potential of causes (who the other people are in the game, mood, level of interest in the game, etc. all operate all the time)

I have acknowledged both the possibility of it being a scumtell and of it being a playstyle change. If it is a scumtell, my vote will help to put pressure on DTM and prove this. If it is simply a playstyle change, my vote will eventually move to someone of more relative scumminess.

Crazy · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:04 am

GIEFF apparently has extra information that he's choosing not to reveal. Since it's his information, he likely knows best.

The discrepancy thing is very minor, but I don't have a big issue with Nik calling DTM out about it, since there's not much to go on at this point.

Yeah..... that's it.

ElectricBadger · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:26 am

Crazy wrote:GIEFF apparently has extra information that he's choosing not to reveal. Since it's his information, he likely knows best.

Not liking GIEFF's play, nor his string of short posts. If he wants his reveal to be more dramatic, I'll do my part to add to the tension:

Unvote CKD, Vote GIEFF

as I wait with bated breath.

GIEFF · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:39 am

You'll miss my short posts in time, EB. I'm trying to cut down on the words, but they have a way of sneaking out.

cicero · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:53 am

Crazy wrote:GIEFF apparently has extra information that he's choosing not to reveal. Since it's his information, he likely knows best.

I think he's hypnotised you with his avatar.

tubby216 · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:01 am

Vi wrote:
GIEFF 70 wrote:Vi, why is tubby asking you what to do?
tubby and me have an understanding. We know how to talk to each other. *secret gang signs go here*

@tubby: For now, I don't want you to coast, since you took the time to post a complaint.
Although why is everyone saying that this game is making their head hurt? Aside from the cybersex thing with Haylen and Nikanor; that makes
my
head hurt

its because i am running senerios and its all a big mess right now, like i thought for sure there would have been a true kill N0, but there wasn't. Now a claimed miller and i really don't want to speak on the implications of of that right now for fear of making myself look completely scummy.

that plus the players in this game are not playing no where near where i thought the would be.

so yah there you have it

Battle Mage · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:08 am

Discussion was panning out just fine, and the applicants were socialising suspiciously, as had been expected. That is, until IH drank the tea that had been left in the room.

IH has been affected by a Slow-Acting Poison. He must recieve a majority of votes to save him, within a short space of time, or he will die.

BM