/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Also, it does not make a lot of sense for Xyl and BNB to be buddies anyway since she started the wagon.

This is terrible logic. Firstly, it's

wrong

. Scum very often vote eachother. Especially RVS. I think some people actually consider it a tell (if, for instance, Xyl turned up scum). Secondly, it makes no sense. How could I possibly know my vote would turn into a wagon? I could have easily just made one vote and switched it.

I'm not liking E_k's posts.

After reading the first post, I thought there were 4 mafia + (optional) traitor too. The fact that E_k didn't come to the same conclusion as me is weird.

Hos: Elvis

[Kmd4390]

Bridges, why just the HoS? Is the Xyl wagon really more important? If so, why?

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Bridges, why just the HoS? Is the Xyl wagon really more important? If so, why?

Originally my thinking was that E_k seems like a more legitimate vote, but if I made the vote this early, it wouldn't have as much merit because it's so early, and I wanted to make this vote when it had more merit.

Then I realized that's pretty stupid thinking, and the Xyl wagon will continue without me,

unvote Xyl
vote: Elvis

But I still am suspicious of Xyl.

[mith]

Vote Count:

11 to lynch.

Xylthixlm: 5 (charter, ekiM, elvis_knits, populartajo, SerialClergyman)
Yosarian2: 3 (Claus, Shabba, Xylthixlm)
elvis_knits: 2 (BridgesAndBaloons, Kmd4390)
alexhans: 1 (iamausername)
BridgesAndBaloons: 1 (VP Baltar)
charter: 1 (roflcopter)
Claus: 1 (alexhans)
Ojanen: 1 (Herodotus)
Shabba: 1 (Yosarian2)
Thesp: 1 (zu_Faul)

Not Voting: 3 (inHimshallibe, Ojanen, Thesp)

[elvis_knits]

It was my assumption.

This does not sound like it was an assumption:

There are exactly four scum in this game? ORLY?

4 scum plus a traitor.

I asked you if there were EXACTLY four scum in the game. You did not say, "uh, that's what I assumed." You said "4 scum plus a traitor." That is not an assumption. You told me it was fact.

My understanding after looking at the rules/roles was that the list of roles may all be in the game, but we don't know which and how many. That tells you nothing as to how many scum we have. And even if you were going by the sample role PM's, I think there are 5 mafiates listed.

Role Name: Mafia Godfather
Group: The Mafia Family is: XXXX (Mafia Godfather), XXXX (Mafia [?]), XXXX (Mafia [?]), [XXXX (Mafia [?])], [XXXX (Mafia [?])].

^^ that would suggest 5 mafia if you were going to assume the sample PMs are literal. If you were assuming you should assume 5, but I think we shouldn't assume anything.

So you definitively stating four is evidence of extra info. Info only scum would have.

THIS IS A SLIP, PPL.

unvote, vote kmd

There is a strong possibility that Xyl is scum too because KMD tried to tie him to three other people, but it'd not as much a sure thing as kmd.

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Scum very often vote eachother. Especially RVS. I think some people actually consider it a tell (if, for instance, Xyl turned up scum). Secondly, it makes no sense. How could I possibly know my vote would turn into a wagon? I could have easily just made one vote and switched it.

I actually don't see scum vote eachother that often in rvs, but whatever. It was the combination of you random voting xyl and then asking for bandwagon on him that made me think you're not buddies even if one of you were to flip scum. I wouldn't expect a scum to random vote and then push for their buddies lynch. Maybe that's just me. I just don't think it's that productive to lynch your buddy if you don't have to.

[Xylthixlm]

Mmmh.

I'm failing to see anything in the tea leaves of who attacks who so far.

Yos2 is still about .001% scummier than anyone else.

Balance suggests we probably have four scum, or five including a traitor, or five including a pair of mafia lovers, or five balanced by a bunch of town power roles.

Semirandom assignment suggests we can't assume balance.

So... probably four or five scum. Anything more is overthinking it.

[zu_Faul]

zu_Faul, why? I thought we were friends.

I thought that was a good reason.

@e_k: Slips are way overrated. I don't remember seeing a slip finding scum (outside a Newbie game, though even there nothing springs to mind).

Also, it does not make a lot of sense for Xyl and BNB to be buddies anyway since she started the wagon.

Could be scum trying to distance, obv. What BNB said.

Unvote, Vote elvis_knits

[elvis_knits]

I seem to remember Yos slipping on the number of scum in dynamite stick mafia. (I'm sure I've seen others too). If Yos can do it, anyone can do it.

[Yosarian2]

I seem to remember Yos slipping on the number of scum in dynamite stick mafia. (I'm sure I've seen others too). If Yos can do it, anyone can do it.

To be fair, that wasn't actually a slip in dynamite mafia; I've done the exact same thing (assumed there were 3 scum for no good reason) in at least two recent games as town, that's just sort of my default assumption.

[Yosarian2]

Woohoo, first post.

Vote:Shabba

since he's almost the only one here I haven't played with him before.

Hi Yosarian2. I'm a girl, and i'm not scum so you shouldn't vote me...unless you're scum...are you scum? Earlier, you answered a question with a question thusly:

:eyebrow:

You scum this game, xylbot?

, which I find to be much scummier than your vote criteria, which apparently was, not having played mafia with you.
So...

Vote: Yosarian2

Hi Thesp! *waves*

I asked Xyl that question for a serious reason. He placed the third vote on a bad bandwagon, and used a completly discredited scum tell to do it; actually, to be technical he misused a completly discredited scum tell (since the late confrim scumtell asssumes that the scum confrim late so they can talk, and I confirmed before the end of 48 hours anyway).

[roflcopter]

i'm disappointed that everyone wasn't bowled over by my amazing case against charter, but we can come back to that later.

unvote, vote: kmd

number of scum slip is solid. bridgesandballoons is his partner.

[Xylthixlm]

Yos, obviously i'm not using the last to confirm "tell".

[Thesp]

Crud - I thought I had posted this line of thought, but I apparently didn't - retyping now.

charter, have you missed me?

Of course! That's why I put your name on the people I want to play with list.

I'm flattered!

I am deeply concerned by the continued absence of inHimshallibe, Kmd4390, Ojanen, populartajo, and Shabba. I'd wager there's at least one scum amongst those five players.

Gutsy call.

Ojanen, why did you eat breakfast after seeing the murder? Doesn't the sight of blood make your stomach turn?

I pretended it was ketchup. And sausages are yummy.
Why do you prefer flavor related questions to theory related ones?

I don't necessarily, but if all of my questions are on meta-theory, it's too easy for it to become a distraction from what's at hand.

VP Baltar, can you PM your scumbuddies and let them know we've started?

Done! Thanks for the reminder.

I like you.

Thesp, do you always ask questions like that?

I've taken to it recently - I like it!

What was the purpose of posting this sentence:

I have my own theories about what roles may be in this game but I've learned that setup speculation this early is pretty useless.

?

This is a good question.

After reading the first post, I thought there were 4 mafia + (optional) traitor too. The fact that E_k didn't come to the same conclusion as me is weird.

What gave you that impression? Please be specific.


For the record, I don't concur with the line of thinking that says kmd3490 has made a slip with regards to the number of scum. I don't find the Xylthixlm wagon that compelling right now either.

Balance suggests we probably have four scum, or five including a traitor, or five including a pair of mafia lovers, or five balanced by a bunch of town power roles.

Semirandom assignment suggests we can't assume balance.

So... probably four or five scum. Anything more is overthinking it.

This seems incredibly superfluous.

Vote: BridgesAndBaloons

. Most likely to be scum by far.

[Xylthixlm]

Guessing there's at least on scum in five players is not a gutsy call.

[Thesp]

Guessing there's at least on scum in five players is not a gutsy call.

I take it my sarcasm didn't translate well.

[Xylthixlm]

Guessing there's at least on scum in five players is not a gutsy call.

Actually... Even with only 4 scum, any random 5 players has a 67% chance of having at least one scum. That guess was basically useless.

unvote, vote ekiM

[Yosarian2]

Yos, obviously i'm not using the last to confirm "tell".

Also, why are you not voting Yos?

No reason. Plus Yosarian2 is most suspicious on the late-confirming-scum front.

unvote, vote Yosarian2

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: ekiM

I was thinking the same thing that Xyl said about his busy work post.

@Thesp-why would you vote BnB instead of Kmd over the conclusion of how many scum are in the game when Kmd was the first person to give a definitive number?

[Xylthixlm]

"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.

[Yosarian2]

"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.

So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?

[Xylthixlm]

"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.

So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?

I don't think anyone has done the math on people who are active all over the site but wait an extra 24 hours to confirm

[Yosarian2]

"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.

So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?

I don't think anyone has done the math on people who are active all over the site but wait an extra 24 hours to confirm

Lol.

Is that...really the argument you're going to run with here, xyl?

I think you probably should have gone with "yos is scum because my magic 8 ball said so" instead, but, you know, it's up to you I guess.

[Thesp]

@Thesp-why would you vote BnB instead of Kmd over the conclusion of how many scum are in the game when Kmd was the first person to give a definitive number?

I'm confused - I don't think there's been a "slip" of any sort on mafia numbers. I don't think BridgesAndBaloons is scum for positing a particular number of scum.

[Xylthixlm]

"Last to confirm" was discredited, not... Whatever the heck I used.

So..."last to confirm" was discredited, but "late-confirming" was not?

I don't think anyone has done the math on people who are active all over the site but wait an extra 24 hours to confirm

Lol.

Is that...really the argument you're going to run with here, xyl?

I think you probably should have gone with "yos is scum because my magic 8 ball said so" instead, but, you know, it's up to you I guess.

Why do you care about being .001% scummier than anyone else?

[Yosarian2]

Why do you care about being .001% scummier than anyone else?

Heh...well, you know I'd never let an attack on me go unanswered.

But, beyond that, I'm mostly trying to decide if I should join the wagon on your or not. I can't really get a read on you yet; it feels like so far you're playing on autopilot more or less, that your posts don't really have any correlation with your alignment. I have to get you out of your comfort zone somehow.

Hmm.

SOCK PUPPET ATTACK