Mini 762 - Secret-role Mafia, Status: Mod Gone, Plug Pulled

[millar13]

Mod Request Replacement For Me

[Beyond_Birthday]

With this reaction, I'm tempted to see scum here. I'm not going to vote him because he's absent, not scummy. What further bothers me is the pop in votes of people who were also lurking, but do return to vote someone else for lurking. Looks hypocritical.

[millar13]

Mod: Take me out of game. If i am being told off, for being away for less than 12 hours than I want out.

[Elias_the_thief]

Stop bitching and post something useful. All this time that you're asking to be replaced could be spent actually contributing.

[millar13]

Mod-Dont replace me

Vote: Elias

for being a pain up my jacksy

[Xenaroth]

wow, what a friggin mess.

millar13, could you post something more content driven. . . if not i'm going to have to agree with Elias with the fact that your brand of lurking is quite damning. I'll give you 24 hours to put up a more content based post other than OMGUS or mod requests or bumping.

Elias, calm down, we can all (well at least i can) that millar is either not defending himself or cant. either way it looks scummy.

For now I'd say that Elias is being absent more than anything else but the fact that you could play in an entire marathon today without posting a significant post here is impressive. However trying to get elias off your back may have taken up your time. All we ask of you is an honest to god post.

Xen

[millar13]

To tell the honest truth I feel like a miller, in the sense that unless investigated I will be assumed at scum. And for that reason, I doubt a Night Kill will occur on me from the scum. At the same time I don't have any real idea of who scum could be, or town could be so I really don't know who to trust.

My vote wasn't not OMGUSing...it was revenge vote.

Is that what i needed to say?

[Xenaroth]

Thats better than anything previous, have you got some opinions on other players as to whom you think is scumm (other than elias because thats a bit obvious as a OMGUS/revenge target)

Xen

PS when does day one end/do we have a day one deadline?

[millar13]

I don't know....that is my honest truth. Elias seems depserate to rush the game though. I admit i am a lurker in this game...

[AWA]

Sorry I haven't been posting; I had a school project that was killing me. I'll try and be more active.

Here's my view on things so far:

I don't have a read on Beyond yet
TCold is super-lurking
Ash hasn't posted much more
AWA is definitely scum, let's lynch him! (</sarcasm>, in case you missed it. Last game, people did...>.>)
Xenaroth responds to and attacks other players; overagressiveness is antitown (not necessarily scum!)
skitzer hasn't posted much
I'm getting a bad vibe from Lowell...call it gut feeling
millar comes off as a bit immature
NabNab appears to be well-versed in formal arguments...not anti-town, but could be tricky in middle/endgame
Elias is kind of shifty to me
Simpor has only made one real post, and it was a wagon.

Unvote

because we're out of RVS.

[NabakovNabakov]

@Millar: Revenge Vote = OMGUS. Also, if I had to vote somebody on your wagon it wouldn't be the guy who started it. It would be one the two guys who wagoned mindlessly.

Also, AWA's post is looking pretty scummy to me. He goes through every player and has

nothing

positive to say about any of them. Looks like a fear of association combined with sowing some seeds. Seriously, why would my ability in "formal argument" be "tricky" for anybody but scum?

[Beyond_Birthday]

@Millar: Revenge Vote = OMGUS. Also, if I had to vote somebody on your wagon it wouldn't be the guy who started it. It would be one the two guys who wagoned mindlessly.

Also, AWA's post is looking pretty scummy to me. He goes through every player and has

nothing

positive to say about any of them. Looks like a fear of association combined with sowing some seeds. Seriously, why would my ability in "formal argument" be "tricky" for anybody but scum?

False, this would make me scummy because as town I assume all 11 people (/12) are scum, and thus, I must prove their innocence. I also refuse to hint at who I think is innocent unless I have an investigation report to give town (usually day 2 (3) or later.)


In the below post,

italics

are my commentary.

Sorry I haven't been posting; I had a school project that was killing me. I'll try and be more active.

blah, blah. Let us know ahead of time next time.

Here's my view on things so far:

I don't have a read on Beyond yet

No one ever does.

TCold is super-lurking

As are most

Ash hasn't posted much more

same

AWA is definitely scum, let's lynch him! (</sarcasm>, in case you missed it. Last game, people did...>.>)

I am the obvious serial killer.

Xenaroth responds to and attacks other players; overagressiveness is antitown (not necessarily scum!)

I dunno. I see paranoia, which =scum. However, this is minor so early; this is probably just a different in perception and a rating of suspicion on people for various acts.

skitzer hasn't posted much

Same as ash, tcold

I'm getting a bad vibe from Lowell...call it gut feeling

I do too. However, I would say at least 80% of Lowell's games give me this. I take it as town and have had to develop his own percentage rating scale due to his unique, rough play style.

millar comes off as a bit immature

Yes, but in people, I find that the guilty are more inclined to be thrown off guard and act immature. The innocent get frustrated, but his progression indicates the former more than innocence.

NabNab appears to be well-versed in formal arguments...not anti-town, but could be tricky in middle/endgame

Hm... I disagree, only in the sense that I cannot yet tell if the nabbit is a strong player in terms of forming arguments and, much more important, if these arguments would not lead to her demise. Nabbit may well walk into a logical fallacy or try to skew things if scum. If not, the presentation may be radically different. This is, of course theory, and by admitting I realize this, the scum-nabbit, if this be her alignment, will have to tread carefully to avoid prosecution. I think middle and endgame can be clear cut if town is calm and analytical of such arguments.

Elias is kind of shifty to me

I agree.

Simpor has only made one real post, and it was a wagon.

For an ironic reason. I am tempted to vote simpor out of the hypocricy, but I'm going to let it go.

Unvote

because we're out of RVS.

I feel like arbitrarily voting you now.

[Beyond_Birthday]

EBWOP (Facilitated the reading of my responses.)
In the below post,

blue

indicates my commentary.
[quote="AWA"]

I don't have a read on Beyond yet

No one ever does.

TCold is super-lurking

As are most

Ash hasn't posted much more

same

AWA is definitely scum, let's lynch him! (</sarcasm>, in case you missed it. Last game, people did...>.>)

I am the obvious serial killer.

Xenaroth responds to and attacks other players; overagressiveness is antitown (not necessarily scum!)

I dunno. I see paranoia, which =scum. However, this is minor so early; this is probably just a different in perception and a rating of suspicion on people for various acts.

skitzer hasn't posted much

Same as ash, tcold

I'm getting a bad vibe from Lowell...call it gut feeling

I do too. However, I would say at least 80% of Lowell's games give me this. I take it as town and have had to develop his own percentage rating scale due to his unique, rough play style.

millar comes off as a bit immature

Yes, but in people, I find that the guilty are more inclined to be thrown off guard and act immature. The innocent get frustrated, but his progression indicates the former more than innocence.

NabNab appears to be well-versed in formal arguments...not anti-town, but could be tricky in middle/endgame

Hm... I disagree, only in the sense that I cannot yet tell if the nabbit is a strong player in terms of forming arguments and, much more important, if these arguments would not lead to her demise. Nabbit may well walk into a logical fallacy or try to skew things if scum. If not, the presentation may be radically different. This is, of course theory, and by admitting I realize this, the scum-nabbit, if this be her alignment, will have to tread carefully to avoid prosecution. I think middle and endgame can be clear cut if town is calm and analytical of such arguments.

Elias is kind of shifty to me

I agree.

Simpor has only made one real post, and it was a wagon.

For an ironic reason. I am tempted to vote simpor out of the hypocricy, but I'm going to let it go.

[Elias_the_thief]

I don't see what makes me so shifty...calling out a lurker in order to start the game going again?

[Simpor]

To AWA:

Well I only play in one game, this game. So it's not the same thing as millar...

And for me not being so active is mainly two reasons, much at work and almost nothing to comment on..

And what about TCold? He have written one post and that was one week ago...

[NabakovNabakov]

False, this would make me scummy because as town I assume all 11 people (/12) are scum, and thus, I must prove their innocence. I also refuse to hint at who I think is innocent unless I have an investigation report to give town (usually day 2 (3) or later.)

This is a terribly unproductive assumption to make (and one that already seems broken by your friendly blue banter*). If townies are unwilling to trust players who make good arguments or defend players they feel are being railroaded, we cede entirely the advantage of organization/cohesion to the scum.

Millar is/was obviously frustrated (which, btw, is a sign of immaturity). This is not difficult.

I, like Elias and skitzer before me, am a dude. Try reading gender icons for once.

Why are you treating it like an anomoly that I "form arguments?" Any player who isn't lurking or a VI "forms arguments." That's what this game is. Why do you alledge that I would only make bad arguments if I were scum?

*BB, what is your read on AWA?

[Xenaroth]

Xenaroth responds to and attacks other players; overagressiveness is antitown (not necessarily scum!)

Unvote

because we're out of RVS.

I dont see how my posts are over aggressive . . . I was more just getting frustrated that people couldn't see how I was just simply trying get people to post/confirm.

[Xenaroth]

Seeing as no-one responded to my question I'll ask the mod

MOD: do we have a deadline and what happens if deadline comes and there is no lynch yet? Also when is the first deadline (assuming there is one)?

I'll set a deadline if one is strongly requested. - the mod

[AshKetchummm]

Well it seems that nothing is really showing up that decidedly shows one person scuminess over anybody elses (IMHO).

I don't see why Millar had to get so worked up over the sistuation that took place this last page and a half.

No one is asking for you to give pages of analiysis every single day, just give input. Even if your not sure of anything you can still post at least giving a jiff of what your thinking.

[Beyond_Birthday]

False, this would make me scummy because as town I assume all 11 people (/12) are scum, and thus, I must prove their innocence. I also refuse to hint at who I think is innocent unless I have an investigation report to give town (usually day 2 (3) or later.)

This is a terribly unproductive assumption to make (and one that already seems broken by your friendly blue banter*). If townies are unwilling to trust players who make good arguments or defend players they feel are being railroaded, we cede entirely the advantage of organization/cohesion to the scum.

Millar is/was obviously frustrated (which, btw, is a sign of immaturity). This is not difficult.

I, like Elias and skitzer before me, am a dude. Try reading gender icons for once.

Why are you treating it like an anomoly that I "form arguments?" Any player who isn't lurking or a VI "forms arguments." That's what this game is. Why do you alledge that I would only make bad arguments if I were scum?

*BB, what is your read on AWA?

Sex is irrelevant to me. Elias, admittedly, was dumb of me. Should have known male, but this isn't really game relevant.

My read on AWA is "lack of posts" thus "undetermined."

I assume that your arguments will eventually show your scum/town. The characteristics of your argument will be inherent of your alignment is my working theory.

[Lowell]

Millar gets Lowell's TOWNIE of the DAY award.

[millar13]

Still don't know who to trust [input given]

[Wall-E]

Votecount 1-4

[3] Xenaroth

Lowell, skitzer, Beyond_Birthday

[3] millar13

Elias_the_thief, Simpor, AshKetchummm

[2] AshKetchummm

AWA, TCold

[1] Beyond_Birthday

Lowell

[1] skitzer

Xenaroth

[1] Lowell

NabakovNabakov

[1] Elias_the_thief

millar13

[0] TCold

[0] AWA

[0] NabakovNabakov

[0] Simpor

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch and end Day 1.

[Elias_the_thief]

I'm still waiting to hear an explanation from the two people who've claimed that I'm "shifty". In other news I will have limited access til sunday as I am going to Illinois to visit shea.

Acknowledged. - the mod

[skitzer]

I know this post is really long for 4 pages into the game, but I feel it's a good'n, and there are some questions in here that need answering.

Beyond_Birthday: I would care if a bandwagon formed against me. Not defending yourself gives us no reason not to continue the bandwagon.

I'm not sure the bandwagon on millar will help anything. I think he'll only post if it is vital to his faction, so if he does start posting, that would make me a little suspicious. (reads on) as he does two posts after this.

However, I disagree with elias's theory. What if he is posting in the other games because he is mafia there, and not posting in these games because he isn't, and therefore not necessary? I'm not sure, but I don't think this ongoing-game talk is appropriate or rule-abiding.

Simpor's third vote on Millar strikes me funny.
Simpor, how do you interpret elias's theory? How does it relate to your vote?

Now I'm not sure what to think, millar's replacement request has thrown me off. It would be better to wait for a replacement. It would help if elias could slightly tone his posts down. I might be frustrated to if he was harping at me like that.

(I'm sorry for making this post as I read along, but I feel it portrays my thoughts best )

OK, millars unreplacement request and vote on elias out of pure frustration makes me think. It may be out of pure frustration, which is bad play but surprisingly understandable, or something else.
millar13, now that you have decided to stay in the game, are you going to make attempts to contribute? It would be nice if you could put this game at the same level as the others.

Ha ha...millar's Post 81 doesn't fit with the rules of a miller but whatever

AWA: You don't have any slight inclination on Beyond_Birthday? I think the majority of people would have some sort of opinion on him. And the "definitely scum" thing, even though you clearly interpreted it as sarcasm, is not good. People don't like that. (reading on) I find it very odd that you have a feel on Lowell but not Beyond_Birthday.

(if the above paragraph was too long to read, I agree with Nabakov in the next post )

Don't like Simpor's Post 89. He tries to shift suspicion off himself and on to TCold. May I note that a lurker isn't scummy, they just aren't posting.

Hehe, now don't get too frustrated over gender, Nab, I thought you were a girl too.

AshK: Someone doesn't have to be definitively scummy over another person. You're supposed to compare everyone and then think on it.

Lowell: This may sound hypocritical, but could you have more input? That'd be lovely.

elias: You aren't really shifty. That isn't the word I would use to describe your play thus far. It's more of slightly tempered.

For now,

FoS: Simpor

until I get my questions answered.