Mini 762 - Secret-role Mafia, Status: Mod Gone, Plug Pulled

[Simpor]

Lowell shouldn't you be voting for me then?

[Wall-E]

Votecount 1-2

[2] AshKetchummm

AWA, TCold

[1] TCold

AshKetchummm

[1] AWA

Beyond_Birthday

[1] skitzer

Xenaroth

[1] Lowell

Elias_the_thief

[1] Elias_the_thief

Simpor

[1] Xenaroth

Lowell

[0] NabakovNabakov

[0] Beyond_Birthday

[0] millar13

[0] Simpor

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch and end Day 1.

[Lowell]

Lowell shouldn't you be voting for me then?

Yeah maybe, who knows. I wasn't really paying attention.

[Elias_the_thief]

I'm assuming you missed my post from the end of the previous page lowell. You should go read it. Its pretty frickin amazing.

[Lowell]

I saw it.

There's a difference between newbtown and newbscum. He strikes me as the latter.

[Elias_the_thief]

Why is that? Paying attention to lurkers is a scumtell that I often find in slightly more experienced scum. Not very characteristic of newbscum to draw attention to lurkers to derail discussion.

[Lowell]

Calling attention to lurkers often signifies a reluctance to get in the fray. I think that could be what's happening.

If it makes you feel better, call it a hunch.

[skitzer]

Goodness, Xenaroth, for all of the hype about the lack of me, I would swear you were a lyncher, except for the mystery role's win condition is a town one.

Nevertheless,

Vote: Xenaroth

. Your username is quite fishy. It seems to imply that you are mafia, and we need your riddance.

[Elias_the_thief]

Calling attention to lurkers often signifies a reluctance to get in the fray. I think that could be what's happening.

If it makes you feel better, call it a hunch.

Well its just that I don't exactly see a "fray" to get into at this point. It was page one, there was very little to be reluctant of. And yes, calling it a hunch does make me feel better, but your backtracking doesn't.

[NabakovNabakov]

NabNab, don't you think its kind of unfair to choose whether or not you take someone's vote seriously? Isn't whether their vote is serious up to them, not you?

I was reacting to what looked like a fairly serious post. So for what it's worth (and not getting into any abstract issues of perception), it seemed that xen had already

chosen

to make his post serious. I chose to respond in a serious fashion (at least until I lapsed into third person).

Even without those sticky issues of perception; it should still be noted that while players have leeway in their seriosity (especially in low-wagon situations like this one), votes are essentially the only parts of our posts that draw on an authority deeper than merely how things are meant or how they are taken. Seven votes flanked by smileys will lynch somebody just as much as seven votes delivered in the diescumdie mode. So really, neither the poster nor the reader has the final say in the seriousness of a vote; that's up to the mod.

Mod: I am no longer voting myself. Xenaroth's count is listed at "0" despite having a vote

My bad. Good catch. Fixed. - the mod

[Elias_the_thief]

Dear NabNab: fair enough

[Beyond_Birthday]

NabNab, don't you think its kind of unfair to choose whether or not you take someone's vote seriously? Isn't whether their vote is serious up to them, not you?

I was reacting to what looked like a fairly serious post. So for what it's worth (and not getting into any abstract issues of perception), it seemed that xen had already

chosen

to make his post serious. I chose to respond in a serious fashion (at least until I lapsed into third person).

Even without those sticky issues of perception; it should still be noted that while players have leeway in their seriosity (especially in low-wagon situations like this one), votes are essentially the only parts of our posts that draw on an authority deeper than merely how things are meant or how they are taken. Seven votes flanked by smileys will lynch somebody just as much as seven votes delivered in the diescumdie mode. So really, neither the poster nor the reader has the final say in the seriousness of a vote; that's up to the mod.

Mod: I am no longer voting myself. Xenaroth's count is listed at "0" despite having a vote

My bad. Good catch. Fixed. - the mod

I pray thou realizes that it takes 6 to lynch and not seven.

Further, people who have gone up in percents (appear scummy) - WHY
Elias_the_Thief: Her retaliation vote. However, a late post makes here overall percent (since my last post) go down. Thus, slightly more town from beginning. Attack on Lowell looks genuine but Lowell's defense was superior, and from my standing, more logical than the attack. Still, Elias ends up over all townie at this very early stage.

NABNAB: Seems slightly paranoid, heightened or worried maybe? Could be play style. Too early to tell and metagame check has been done to confirm. Post 34 also seems too cautious.

Xenaroth: Hm... his post seems odd, and I agree with Lowell that such an agressive, early attack on a lurker is odd. His random vote did already exist and he could have voted someone else. Very minor, but definitely noted. Post 20 harps on Skitzer. I don't like this.

Ash: Post 19 looks like scum trying to easily validate a later middle of the pack vote. Don't care for this.

Skitzer: Despite my distaste for Xen's harping, her opening post is very close to OMGUS in my book. Still, it is opening and as a result, it is an extremely minor +1% suspicion.


If you are not mentioned in the above (either in passing or as one of these people), you're percent went up. I may do this often so to clarify: Lowell is not a headline (eg, scummy person*). He is mentioned, however, in Elias' part. This is a good thing for Lowell. If your name isn't mentioned at all, you also have a raised percent (which is bad.)

*Thus far. I've read a Lowell game... he can be quite annoying.

[Beyond_Birthday]

EBWOP:
I

Unvote

. Though this does not necessarily apply to other people, I have left the random vote stage.
*Can I really do that?

[NabakovNabakov]

Actually, because Beyond_Birthday put me on that track, I'm definitely thinking Lowell's justification for voting xenaroth is crap. xenaroth, for good or ill, was about as much "in the fray" as one can be by the 23rd post. I find it highly unlikely that Lowell was following the same line of reasoning he later reported to Elias, and post-facto justifications are a mighty big scumtell in my book.

Vote: Lowell

[Elias_the_thief]

Further, people who have gone up in percents (appear scummy) - WHY
Elias_the_Thief: Her retaliation vote. However, a late post makes here overall percent (since my last post) go down. Thus, slightly more town from beginning. Attack on Lowell looks genuine but Lowell's defense was superior, and from my standing, more logical than the attack. Still, Elias ends up over all townie at this very early stage.

Firstly, I am a dude. Please do not refer to me as "her" >.<
Second, which vote is the retaliation vote? Do you mean when I voted you for "trying to confuse the mod"? Because that was entirely a joke vote.

Personally I think its a tad bit early to be posting analysis like this, but whatever floats your boat. However, since you do have this small bit of early analysis posted, would you mind telling us who you find the most suspicious thus far? Am I correct in guessing that its Ash?

[Xenaroth]

Calling attention to lurkers often signifies a reluctance to get in the fray. I think that could be what's happening.

If it makes you feel better, call it a hunch.

Yes my calling attention to lurkers was in the random voting phase and to try provoke a reaction so that they'd /confirm so we could see if they were in the game or not. which leads me to my nest point, I apologies to Skitzer as i targeted her but not Millar13 (s/he seemed to slip under my radar when seeing who hadn't posted)

@Beyond_Birthday

If you are not mentioned in the above (either in passing or as one of these people), you're percent went up. I may do this often so to clarify: Lowell is not a headline (eg, scummy person*). He is mentioned, however, in Elias' part. This is a good thing for Lowell. If your name isn't mentioned at all, you also have a raised percent (which is bad.)

I see you've posted an early analysis in which you across the board accuse everyone in the town of being scummy or at least you've said you've raised your scum-o-meter on everyone with no explaination

Also you called my post an aggressive attack on a lurker. I was in no way trying to attack them just trying to get them out of their shell and into the game. I'm very pro-prodding and I think Millar may need one soon.

Xen[/b]

[NabakovNabakov]

Huh, I just realized Millar13 is in both the games I just joined. However, he's been far more active in the newbie game. Definitely needs a prod.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Further, people who have gone up in percents (appear scummy) - WHY
Elias_the_Thief: Her retaliation vote. However, a late post makes here overall percent (since my last post) go down. Thus, slightly more town from beginning. Attack on Lowell looks genuine but Lowell's defense was superior, and from my standing, more logical than the attack. Still, Elias ends up over all townie at this very early stage.

Firstly, I am a dude. Please do not refer to me as "her" >.<
Second, which vote is the retaliation vote? Do you mean when I voted you for "trying to confuse the mod"? Because that was entirely a joke vote.

Personally I think its a tad bit early to be posting analysis like this, but whatever floats your boat. However, since you do have this small bit of early analysis posted, would you mind telling us who you find the most suspicious thus far? Am I correct in guessing that its Ash?

My apologies.
I know it was a joke vote. Perhaps this was too dry?

You are right it is early, never too early. Also, there is no "most" supicious at this point because they all went up exceptionally slightly. Perhaps Nab *IF* anyone at this point, but there is a reason that I am not voting.

Xen's post is slightly odd. (This is an acknowledgment.)

[Xenaroth]

Xen's post is slightly odd. (This is an acknowledgment.)

Are you referring to my post which was 3/4 posts ago or the post you originally referred to. . .? Basically which post number are you calling odd?

[Elias_the_thief]

Further, people who have gone up in percents (appear scummy) - WHY
Elias_the_Thief: Her retaliation vote. However, a late post makes here overall percent (since my last post) go down. Thus, slightly more town from beginning. Attack on Lowell looks genuine but Lowell's defense was superior, and from my standing, more logical than the attack. Still, Elias ends up over all townie at this very early stage.

Firstly, I am a dude. Please do not refer to me as "her" >.<
Second, which vote is the retaliation vote? Do you mean when I voted you for "trying to confuse the mod"? Because that was entirely a joke vote.

Personally I think its a tad bit early to be posting analysis like this, but whatever floats your boat. However, since you do have this small bit of early analysis posted, would you mind telling us who you find the most suspicious thus far? Am I correct in guessing that its Ash?

My apologies.
I know it was a joke vote. Perhaps this was too dry?

You are right it is early, never too early. Also, there is no "most" supicious at this point because they all went up exceptionally slightly. Perhaps Nab *IF* anyone at this point, but there is a reason that I am not voting.

Xen's post is slightly odd. (This is an acknowledgment.)

Alright, I thought you were aware that my vote was a joke and were responding in kind but I wasnt sure. And yes, never too early, I suppose. And thanks for the last bit.

[Elias_the_thief]

AKA the part thats responding to my question.

[Beyond_Birthday]

I have nothing to add, so posting this to bump thread.

[Elias_the_thief]

unvote, vote: Beyond Birthday

[millar13]

Howdy...no prod needed

[NabakovNabakov]

Grrr, activity is terrible. I'll try to stir something up:

Seriously guys, look at what Lowell has done here. He drops a vote on Xenaroth shortly after Xenaroth gets himself in some hot water with a bad joke. He's shown some inexperience, and the mob is gumbling, so a good time to start a wagon, right?

Lowell calls him on focusing on Skitzer, but he doesn't think it through (really, in a game with no confirmation stage, it's entirely plausible that a player could be left accidentially in the dark). Yes, 20 was the second time in a row Xenaroth mentioned Skitzer, but it was made only 13 minutes after 18, essentially a double-post. Elias lodges a complaint, and Lowell responds first by professing ignorance, then by issuing vagaries, then with the post-facto justification I mentioned in 38.

Of course, the phrasing of the above tale all but assumes that Xenaroth is town and Lowell is scum. Consider the first a hunch and the second a solid suspicion, but at least take some time to consider it (or something else; this game is dying!)