Martyr Mafia - Game Over

[SilverPhoenix]

Furthermore if he dies the agnostics lose our win condition.

That's wrong, God can still be lynched, and the reality is lynching is probably the way God will die.

[zachattack]

If Nietzche dies, God achieves his win condition and leaves the game. We can lynch God as long as Nietzche is still alive, but once Nietzche dies the agnostics only hope is conversion.

[Bloodmoney]

zach makes a very fair point. Not only do we need to lynch God or get Nietzsche to kill him, we also need to prevent him from achieving his wincon. I also don't think the day game will have much relevance if God and Nietzsche leave the game, since it will be clear to all that the majority, i.e. the agnostics won't have anything left to achieve, and the cults' motives will be completely clear too.

[qwints]

If Nietzche dies, God achieves his win condition and leaves the game. We can lynch God as long as Nietzche is still alive, but once Nietzche dies the agnostics only hope is conversion.

Why do we know that God winning = God leaving? (It makes sense, I just don't think it was explicitly stated)

Regardless, right now our goal should be to kill God as soon as possible. Right now we know that 4 (if all recruits failed) to 7 (if all recruits succeeded) people will not vote to lynch God. As early as tomorrow, it may become impossible to lynch God.

One rules questions:
1) Does the game end once a cult leader wins or do we continue til God or Nietzsche is dead?

I have a feeling that this game is going to have a lot of putting people close to a lynch and seeing who flinches. We don't have anything to lose (besides an opportunity to win right away) from anyone dying.

[SilverPhoenix]

Why do we know that God winning = God leaving? (It makes sense, I just don't think it was explicitly stated)

1) Does the game end once a cult leader wins or do we continue til God or Nietzsche is dead?

Gurgi said in the signup thread that the only ways the game will end is if a cult wins or Nietzsche wins. Therefore, if God wins, the game continues until either the agnostics or a cult wins (most likely a cult).

To answer the question, yes, that is correct, which is why we can't go killing cult leaders yet.

but once Nietzche dies the agnostics only hope is conversion.

Well, the agnostics could lynch God, but that becomes harder as the game progresses, as you said. You are right about Nietzsche though. This is such a weird game.

[zachattack]

Edit3: Game ends when Nietzsche or a cult wins. God just leaves the game.

God leaves the game when he wins. He wins when Nietzche dies. If God is out of the game he can't be lynched. Therefore, if Nietzche dies, the agnostics cannot win, and it's simply between the cults from there.

[ortolan]

God is most likely to die by lynching today- as the days go on it will become more and more like assassin in the palace between as the majority of players will be in cults. Although there will also be the cult vs. cult game.

[SilverPhoenix]

Edit3: Game ends when Nietzsche or a cult wins. God just leaves the game.

God leaves the game when he wins. He wins when Nietzche dies. If God is out of the game he can't be lynched. Therefore, if Nietzche dies, the agnostics cannot win, and it's simply between the cults from there.

OOOOH......I finally get it. I'm just thinking before Nietzche dies that the agnostics can lynch God, but if God wins, then it is assured that a cult will win. Gotcha gotcha gotcha.

Anyway,

Unvote, Vote DGB

. No posting AND a wagon? Too good to be true.

[Jahudo]

OMG, Jahudo just claimed Christian Leader!

Only if I can be Reverend Lowery from Obama's inauguration. That guy was cool.

Maybe the G in DrippingGoofball stands for DrippingGodball? It makes so much sense I have to

unvote

Vote: DGB

[Jebus]

mask_man enters a room filled with random votes, with his super-hero mask hiding his role from others.
He soon breaks up in laughter, and also feels bad for himself...

"So," he said,
"I thought the Que topic was going to move into a game >_>"

anyway, playing agnostic kinda doesn't seem right,
think, at min there will be 9 agnostics next day(For the sake of not being retarded, I assume the min is 10,

I wouldn't be so fast to use a one-shot kill =P

) and 3 cult members, then 6 cult members and only 6 or 7 agnostics.

I would rather assume that I will be converted then attempt to lynch god.
And while we are still in the proper phase,

!'random' vote MyKonian

[Jebus]

Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

[SilverPhoenix]

Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

What about it? It doesn't seem helpful at all, but that doesn't mean its bad (at least I see nothing glaring about it).

[zwetschenwasser]

I think you're forgetting the fact that Nietzsche can kill God once we figure out who he is, without waiting for the never happening vote.

[Zakeri]

So then, Jebus, are you outing what you suspect to be Nietzche?

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

[zwetschenwasser]

BTW, I vote DGB because she's been scum in the last several games I've seen her in.

[Jebus]

So then, Jebus, are you outing what you suspect to be Nietzche?

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

No, I'm just wondering what that was. I don't see how it can be stretched to that with no middle-ground.

[ting =)]

unvote. vote: zakeri.

[Zakeri]

So then, Jebus, are you outing what you suspect to be Nietzche?

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

No, I'm just wondering what that was. I don't see how it can be stretched to that with no middle-ground.

I don't understand what stands out about it, then. To me, it looks like he's stating something that's only common sense. You pointing that out seem like you're trying to associate what he said to his role.

[X]

If we kill 2 cult leaders, the game ends and we lose. Killing recruits is the second best thing to killing God.

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shortened

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The second one I'm not so sure. Going after recruits means one/two of the cults will be stronger than the other.

Which is only a problem if one cult achieves an absolute majority, right? And I'm not suggesting going after recruits. It doesn't really help us. But killing Nietzsche means that we lose (unless recruited), and killing a Cult Leader brings us closer to a Cult victory.

Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

What about it? It doesn't seem helpful at all, but that doesn't mean its bad (at least I see nothing glaring about it).

QFT. If you think someone is Nietzsche,

don't say it

! It helps God, hurts the Agnostics, and indirectly helps the cults.

FoS: Jebus

. BTW, what else could you have thought "interesting" about it?

[ting =)]

@X.
After God, I'd rather kill a cult leader than a cult member. I think you're forgetting that the cults will grow by three every night with leaders alive. Right now, there are 6 cultists - 3 leaders, 3 members. Tomorrow night, there will be 9 cultists. One player will be lynched, another will be hit by God's NK. That means that the majority of the players will be cults already (assuming God doesn't kill a cultie). If all the cults combined, not just one, achieve majority - we can't lynch God anymore. At best, we have only until day 3 to lynch God. After that, it's up to Nietsczhe. Obviously, killing God is our main priority, but hunting down the cult leaders should be next so that we can slow their growth, not going after recruits.

[Jahudo]

Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?

How about you say what you believe? I think he's probably just talking setup plans like the rest of us instead of contemplating how to use his role. And the =P is obv WIFOM.

But this bears more notice to me:

I would rather assume that I will be converted then attempt to lynch god.

Sounds like someone is playing for the win condition is hopes to have, not the one he has. At least that's what he's trying to tell us.

[DrippingGoofball]

BTW, I vote DGB because she's been scum in the last several games I've seen her in.

Is that true. As far as I know, we're in one ongoing game, and you don't know my alignment.

OMGUS

vote: zwetschenwasser

[DrippingGoofball]

@X.
After God, I'd rather kill a cult leader than a cult member.

Agreed. Cult leaders are TOP PRIORITY.

Mark my words.

They will lurk. They will not draw attention to themselves.

[Bloodmoney]

unvote. vote: zakeri.

I support this.

unvote, vote: zakeri

Even though I don't see how the initial comment by Jebus was necessary, I don't see how he could've interpreted mm's line as a Nietzsche-slip, and even if he did, I don't see why he would openly fish for something like that.

[populartajo]

unvote. vote: zakeri.

I support this.

unvote, vote: zakeri

Even though I don't see how the initial comment by Jebus was necessary, I don't see how he could've interpreted mm's line as a Nietzsche-slip, and even if he did, I don't see why he would openly fish for something like that.

+1

Unvote Vote:Zakeri.