Open 113 - Lover Mafia : Game over! before 734

SensFan · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:45 pm

Zilla wrote:a contrived and anti-town agenda for him isn't a scum tell

I guarantee you, this is absolutely the ideal way for Town to play in this game. And trust me, I have more experience in this format than anyone else here.

yorgi · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:49 pm

populartajo wrote:Gut is a valid answer. If I feel someone is town I comment on it for scumhunting purposes.
And how am I being nervous? Yorg, rly?

Your asking me if I would hammer you? You question my comments and just with one simple vote. You haven't said much else except to call BSG town and Zilla's comment scummy. It's your lack of comments going on that bug me.

populartajo · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:59 pm

yorgi wrote:
populartajo wrote:Gut is a valid answer. If I feel someone is town I comment on it for scumhunting purposes.
And how am I being nervous? Yorg, rly?
Your asking me if I would hammer you? You question my comments and just with one simple vote. You haven't said much else except to call BSG town and Zilla's comment scummy. It's your lack of comments going on that bug me.

So now I cant pose questions to you? Dude, this is mafia.
I was only asking that if I were at L-1, would you vote me? Yes or no?
Also, what lack of comments are you talking about? I have commented on everything I think I should comment. Following that logic, BSG should have already destroyed tour scumdar, right?

Zilla · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:19 am

SensFan wrote:
Zilla wrote:a contrived and anti-town agenda for him isn't a scum tell
I guarantee you, this is absolutely the ideal way for Town to play in this game. And trust me, I have more experience in this format than anyone else here.

This game lasts two days with 6 people. You're putting a ton of confidence in being able to find scum off of the first lynch, and quick days mean less info mean higher scum-winning chance.

I can see tajo defending BSG and see them as a possible pair, though I don't like that BSG hasn't been around. I'm considering switching to tajo. I'm considering hammering also, but someone will have to explain why Tanarin is actually scummy rather than just the leading bandwagon.

populartajo · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:21 am

Zilla why are you considering switching to Tajo?

Zilla · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:36 am

I currently suspect BSG, and you called him town without elaboration or founding. It's possible you're the other lover, and if someone can point out other reasons why you are scummy, I'd think lynching you would be as good as lynching BSG.

SensFan · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:38 am

Zilla wrote:
SensFan wrote:
Zilla wrote:a contrived and anti-town agenda for him isn't a scum tell
I guarantee you, this is absolutely the ideal way for Town to play in this game. And trust me, I have more experience in this format than anyone else here.
This game lasts two days with 6 people. You're putting a ton of confidence in being able to find scum off of the first lynch, and quick days mean less info mean higher scum-winning chance.

I can see tajo defending BSG and see them as a possible pair, though I don't like that BSG hasn't been around. I'm considering switching to tajo. I'm considering hammering also, but someone will have to explain why Tanarin is actually scummy rather than just the leading bandwagon.

Nope. My plan is actually based around a Town lynch today. Scum lynch would just be lucky.

populartajo · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:39 am

Zilla wrote:I currently suspect BSG, and you called him town without elaboration or founding. It's possible you're the other lover, and if someone can point out other reasons why you are scummy, I'd think lynching you would be as good as lynching BSG.

Get a townie vibe =! calling someone townie.

populartajo · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:40 am

And BSG is V/LA until today and you know that, Zilla.

Zilla · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:36 am

Sens, I meant "Off" a first lynch, meaning that you're saying you're confident we can find scum based on the information we get from the first lynch.

Tajo, he's gone, I know, but that doesn't make him any less suspect. It's a hangup, upon which I happen to be hung, because he can't even defend himself. I don't think it's right to abate suspicion of him just because he's not here.

Getting a town vibe is just a softer way of saying the same thing, especially when that's all you offer on the subject. Regardless of whether you're saying he's 100% confirmed town or just that this word is a town-tell, you're still working to up his town-rep.

populartajo · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:40 am

So, Zilla, why is he suspect for you?

Zilla · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:45 am

Zilla wrote:I'm tentatively critical of BSG, because first of his initial lurking, and then because he states "Why I didn't hammer" and none of them have to do with not suspecting Yorgi, at least not directly. All of his reasons kind of have the feel to me that he didn't hammer because "hammering would look bad," even if that's not on his list of reasons.

So, I'm totally not critical of him for not hammering, because I personally don't suspect much from Yorgi, but I AM intrigued by his listed reasons. Especially when he says "You'll have to get Tajo's help." It really looks like he just doesn't want to be the hammer vote, and he wants his hands clean as far as the Yorgi lynch goes.

Vote: BSG

Short summary; he refused to hammer in a way that seemed like he didn't want to have his name involved with it. It seemed like he expected Yorgi to flip town and was hoping someone else would bite the bait (namely you). It makes just a bit of sense that he named you so that you would be able to be "convinced" and finish the job, but the hammer chance vanished before anyone could "convince" you.

SensFan · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:57 pm

Zilla wrote:Sens, I meant "Off" a first lynch, meaning that you're saying you're confident we can find scum based on the information we get from the first lynch.

Yep. Besides, I play this game by process of elimination.

yorgi · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:35 pm

populartajo wrote:
yorgi wrote:
populartajo wrote:Gut is a valid answer. If I feel someone is town I comment on it for scumhunting purposes.
And how am I being nervous? Yorg, rly?
Your asking me if I would hammer you? You question my comments and just with one simple vote. You haven't said much else except to call BSG town and Zilla's comment scummy. It's your lack of comments going on that bug me.
So now I cant pose questions to you? Dude, this is mafia.
I was only asking that if I were at L-1, would you vote me? Yes or no?
Also, what lack of comments are you talking about? I have commented on everything I think I should comment. Following that logic, BSG should have already destroyed tour scumdar, right?

What you missed was the fact I noticed you didn't say anything but one liners. However as soon as I vote you start poking at it like OMG you voted me. I can handle questions. I even don't mind questions.
Also I agree with Zilla. Yay call it what you want Sens I know you will but I pretty much thought the same thing which is why I question tajo about his comment on BSG.

Tanarin · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:42 pm

Yorgi, now you seem to be dodging a question. so let ask you again, if pops was at l-1 would you hammer him?

Zilla · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:34 pm

SensFan wrote:Yep. Besides, I play this game by process of elimination.

You only get one, you know.

SensFan · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:19 pm

Zilla wrote:
SensFan wrote:Yep. Besides, I play this game by process of elimination.
You only get one, you know.

I know. Just don't lynch me today, or if you insist on lynching me, make damn sure I get the chance to explain.

Zilla · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:42 am

I'm getting more and more unnerved by your style, because it's such a good place for scum to be. You hammer an innocent today and steer us to an innocent tomorrow, and scum wins. At the very least, I think we should discuss whether you're scum.

SensFan · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:59 am

Zilla wrote:I'm getting more and more unnerved by your style, because it's such a good place for scum to be. You hammer an innocent today and steer us to an innocent tomorrow, and scum wins. At the very least, I think we should discuss whether you're scum.

Don't worry about me being Scum today. Trust me.

populartajo · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:38 am

yorgi wrote:What you missed was the fact I noticed you didn't say anything but one liners. However as soon as I vote you start poking at it like OMG you voted me.

What do you think is the reasonable reaction for a weak vote you are not even sure of?

yorgi wrote:I can handle questions. I even don't mind questions.

You sure?

populartajo · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:39 am

Mod, prod BSG.

populartajo · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:39 am

SensFan wrote:
Zilla wrote:I'm getting more and more unnerved by your style, because it's such a good place for scum to be. You hammer an innocent today and steer us to an innocent tomorrow, and scum wins. At the very least, I think we should discuss whether you're scum.
Don't worry about me being Scum today. Trust me.

Who do you think are town? Scum? Too early?

ShadowGirl · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:21 am

I prodded BSG yesterday, and she has not opened the PM yet.

Zilla · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:41 am

If we trust you, chances for a scum win may be higher on all fronts regardless of your alignment. If you fail to deliver, scum wins. If you have a hidden agenda, scum wins. The only difference is that one of them is intentional.

You're not making your idea any more appealing when you put it up to trust. This game is entirely about trust, and you'd have to provide a reason for us to trust you to earn that trust.

I want to hear from BSG.

SensFan · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:01 pm

populartajo wrote:
SensFan wrote:
Zilla wrote:I'm getting more and more unnerved by your style, because it's such a good place for scum to be. You hammer an innocent today and steer us to an innocent tomorrow, and scum wins. At the very least, I think we should discuss whether you're scum.
Don't worry about me being Scum today. Trust me.
Who do you think are town? Scum? Too early?

BSG gets scumvibes from me.
Sens seems obvTown to me.