Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[dahill1]

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Brilliant observation.

I don't know who Tar channels, but I hope we'll have enough material to make a collective decision on that player's alignment. We might still need to lynch "Tar" at some point but it would be wise to lay off.

Yeah, the Tar bandwagon was a joke. Why do we need to waste our D1 lynch on it?

i don't think some of the other people on the wagon share your opinion.

[Xylthixlm]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

[ShadowGirl]

Unvote.

Well... At least some info came out of this wagon. o_o

Hope to hear more from... Tar... person...

[dahill1]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

nope, but lots of interesting information has been coming in the past page which can definitely help us. also, like half the people haven't even checked in yet

[forbiddanlight]

Don't lynch him, you'll lynch me if you do.

Hi LAIN!

Lynch at will. It probably isn't from MS 2

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Too bad. If you had played it right, mystery player, you could have pulled some of the "voice of the mod" games I played last game .

can't elaborate due to role? or just don't want to?

They can't claim abilities if it IS similar to my MS2 role, or even that they are speaking through the mod. That was really borderline, but I'm assuming tar allowed it (since I was given the option of having tar make my posts not break PR)

Yeah, the Tar bandwagon was a joke. Why do we need to waste our D1 lynch on it?

Still say Tar or his channeler is scum

Also, figure out who got dropped from signups when Tar declared it actually had 29 players.

[dahill1]

Still say Tar or his channeler is scum

why? and on that note, when have you previously mentioned you thought he/she was scum?

[Caboose]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

Yes.

FL has been trying to get the mod lynched for real, which I find to be pretty scummy, considering that it will probably waste the D1 lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Forbiddanlight

[dahill1]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

Yes.

FL has been trying to get the mod lynched for real, which I find to be pretty scummy, considering that it will probably waste the D1 lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Forbiddanlight

do you think the person posting via Tar is town, and if so why?

[TehVariable]

forbiddanlight seems really interested in the set up...while that's ok for now, if it continues it might be suspicious.

how is being interested in the setup relate to scumminess?

Information Instead of Analysis. But now I see pretty much everyone is doing it, which is understandable. She just seemed to lead it off.

Um...hmm...from what I recall from skimming MS 2, there was a similar role to the apparent one that is speaking through the mod now. But there are differences it seems. I guess we should probably pay close attention to what they say.

Also, if forbiddanlight claiming the mod is a player is true, then it's possible Tar is using MS 2 to, for all intents and purposes mind screw us.

Either way...not entirely sure we should be voting the mod even if the history shows it yielding information. Even if the supposed dead mod speaking person is Tar himself, it probably is a waste of a D1 lynch.

Not sure what to make of qwints' apparent post restriction...and attempting to guess the role probably won't help us. I guess we'll garner what information we can from what he says.

[Tarhalindur]

Don't lynch him, you'll lynch me if you do.

Hi LAIN!

Lynch at will. It probably isn't from MS 2

Not Lain. Sagara.

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Too bad. If you had played it right, mystery player, you could have pulled some of the "voice of the mod" games I played last game .

Some things lost, some things gained. Last time was his mistake. I say no more.

can't elaborate due to role? or just don't want to?

They can't claim abilities if it IS similar to my MS2 role, or even that they are speaking through the mod. That was really borderline, but I'm assuming tar allowed it (since I was given the option of having tar make my posts not break PR)

Sorry, can't elaborate. Not much, at least. Have too little time, too little space, too much to do with too little. Most annoying, really. I'll try to make the rest of what I say count. Gomen.

Vote/FoSes I shall keep private. Too many problems otherwise. 30 players is annoying.

Yeah, the Tar bandwagon was a joke. Why do we need to waste our D1 lynch on it?

Still say Tar or his channeler is scum

Also, figure out who got dropped from signups when Tar declared it actually had 29 players.

Not scum. Town, but not quite. Additional win con, must meet both. This is permitted.

After thinking... would other FMP! characters please claim?

[forbiddanlight]

why? and on that note, when have you previously mentioned you thought he/she was scum?

MS 1, Tarhalindur was a role in the game
MS 2, Tarhalindur was both a role in the game and he was a player (Chairman Mao). I think he was town aligned though, or at least self aligned
MS 3. I would not be surprised if Tarhalindur were scum.

Yes.

FL has been trying to get the mod lynched for real, which I find to be pretty scummy, considering that it will probably waste the D1 lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Forbiddanlight

FoS:Caboose

Excuse me for trying something that has NOT BEEN DONE IN AN MS GAME BEFORE, DESPITE THE LAST TWO GAMES SHOWING THERE BEING INFORMATIONAL BENEFIT!

By no means did I want him quicklynched, but I did desire his lynch, because this time, I think we'll get the most benefit.

Information Instead of Analysis. But now I see pretty much everyone is doing it, which is understandable. She just seemed to lead it off.

Nyeh...if you really find it suspicious why didn't you vote me?

And you seem to be engaging in a lot of IIoA yourself. I don't really like that tell though.

[Caboose]

do you think the person posting via Tar is town, and if so why?

Yes, because I have no reason to believe that he/she is otherwise.
But FL's jump onto Tar/whoever is behind Tar is really weird and the probable waste of a lynch and FL probably knows that.

[dahill1]

forbiddanlight seems really interested in the set up...while that's ok for now, if it continues it might be suspicious.

how is being interested in the setup relate to scumminess?

Information Instead of Analysis. But now I see pretty much everyone is doing it, which is understandable. She just seemed to lead it off.

Um...hmm...from what I recall from skimming MS 2, there was a similar role to the apparent one that is speaking through the mod now. But there are differences it seems. I guess we should probably pay close attention to what they say.

Also, if forbiddanlight claiming the mod is a player is true, then it's possible Tar is using MS 2 to, for all intents and purposes mind screw us.

Either way...not entirely sure we should be voting the mod even if the history shows it yielding information. Even if the supposed dead mod speaking person is Tar himself, it probably is a waste of a D1 lynch.

Not sure what to make of qwints' apparent post restriction...and attempting to guess the role probably won't help us. I guess we'll garner what information we can from what he says.

good answer. i wasn't sure what you meant at first by being interested in the setup but now i see, so thanks for elaborating. on that note

small FoS: FL

for the whole analyzing the mod VCs thing. in the first game, one of the mafia just made large posts consisting of mod analysises(?), and kinda just floated by until endgame. it's fine if you include your mod VC observations with some actual content, but posts with just the flavor speculation aren't good

@person talking via Tar: answer my questions

@caboose: why on earth are you trusting someone that easily this early?

[forbiddanlight]

Not Lain. Sagara.

Well, it's a similar mechanic so far.

Some things lost, some things gained. Last time was his mistake. I say no more.

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, he did say he didn't expect it, so he would put a measure against it if he used it again. And to be fair, I doubt you could have pulled it off with my precedent. As well as the fact that I screwed the town using it. I just thought it was cool.

Sorry, can't elaborate. Not much, at least. Have too little time, too little space, too much to do with too little. Most annoying, really. I'll try to make the rest of what I say count. Gomen.

Vote/FoSes I shall keep private. Too many problems otherwise. 30 players is annoying.

Well, that explains one of the secret votes. I liked combining the two, secret and public votes.

With 30 players, you probably have more than 10 posts. But I can understand needing to conserve them.

Not scum. Town, but not quite. Additional win con, must meet both. This is permitted.

That sounds a lot like non town...I don't like it.

After thinking... would other FMP! characters please claim?

I REALLY don't like this.

Also, who was an interested player that uses fangirl japanese? That gomen is a giveaway, I just don't know who'd use it.

[qwints]

Doesn't identify itself. Huh. Try Anything

LOGON:

[Caboose]

@caboose: why on earth are you trusting someone that easily this early?

I always trust the mod.

[forbiddanlight]

good answer. i wasn't sure what you meant at first by being interested in the setup but now i see, so thanks for elaborating. on that note small FoS: FL for the whole analyzing the mod VCs thing. in the first game, one of the mafia just made large posts consisting of mod analysises(?), and kinda just floated by until endgame. it's fine if you include your mod VC observations with some actual content, but posts with just the flavor speculation aren't good Sad

Sorry, I wanted to do it in MS 2 and obviously couldn't. And notice while I'm doing my mod watch posts, I'm trying to post content in the post after. I'll keep them more seperate if you'd like?

@person talking via Tar: answer my questions

I'm probably assuming too much and giving them an out, but...I think if he IS town, he should conserve his posts for when it matters since he's likely limited on posts per day. He also might not be able to answer them

Yes, because I have no reason to believe that he/she is otherwise.
But FL's jump onto Tar/whoever is behind Tar is really weird and the probable waste of a lynch and FL probably knows that.

I think the opposite. Any other game, I wouldn't push a mod wagon except for lulz. Tar lynches would not have been wasteful in the other two games (though to be fair I scared the crap out of everyone considering that in MS 2)

[forbiddanlight]

I always trust the mod.

Well, that lost the game for town MS 2. Granted, I was still town aligned. But the mod is the last person you should trust in an MS game. THAT much is constant.

[dahill1]

another question for tar-person:
1) why do you plan on keeping your votes secret? how does this benefit the town?

also, you can't honestly expect us to trust you enough for some of us to character claim based on your word alone, can you? for all we know, your WC could be "kill all characters from this show, etc."

@caboose: why on earth are you trusting someone that easily this early?

I always trust the mod.

what does this mean? do you think that person who is making the posts via Tar (excluding the VCs and such), is actually Tar?

[forbiddanlight]

also, you can't honestly expect us to trust you enough for some of us to character claim based on your word alone, can you? for all we know, your WC could be "kill all characters from this show, etc."

Or perhaps a punisher like Nat's ability in MS 2. Maybe if he gets a role name he can kill them by naming that player and their role. In which case I'd lean neutral.

[Caboose]

I always trust the mod.

Well, that lost the game for town MS 2. Granted, I was still town aligned. But the mod is the last person you should trust in an MS game. THAT much is constant.

Yes, this could be true. But I still find it really odd/kind of scummy that you are actually pushing a case on Tar/person-behind-Tar.

what does this mean? do you think that person who is making the posts via Tar (excluding the VCs and such), is actually Tar?

It could be, it could not be. I'm not sure yet. I guess that's where the mind-screw comes in.

[Vi]

It would make sense for Modhalindur to set someone else up to be lynched if people try to do what seems like the obvious course of action and target him... We'll find out in due time who it is. For now, I don't think Tarhalindur's worth targeting.

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Reading through what's already been said...

I agree with farside 11 and dahill1 15; jumping to the conclusion of scum playing Invisible Hands with no further information is against history and sounds somewhat like scapegoating. I see that tajo has addressed this in 20, and I'm inclined to believe it's a null-tell; but it's certainly no Town-tell.

No idea. Anyone get this reference? (His references tend to relate to role sources in the game, and it's also fun to guess)

1984, I believe. That was the Party's motive in its criminal justice system.

Don't abuse the thread too much, lol.

Abuse is

so

your specialty; why should I deny you the pleasure?~

qwints' PR is still beyond what I can see so far though, though I have some ideas. I agree that leaving him alive is probably the best thing that can be done right now.

IMO Caboose is by far the most scummy person here, with reasons for votes that seem like you don't really care who gets lynched. (Or so it seems to me.)

Yeah, the Tar bandwagon was a joke. Why do we need to waste our D1 lynch on it?

Someone hasn't read either of the previous Mind Screws. It certainly wouldn't be a waste (see Mind Screw 1 for the negative control).

For the moment, I think my vote is best placed on--

Vote: Natirasha

...wait, not there.

Unvote: Natirasha
Vote: Caboose

Also, who was an interested player that uses fangirl japanese? That gomen is a giveaway, I just don't know who'd use it.

ZazieR.

I'm going to hate myself for going to sleep now that this game has started. I think I've been cut 50 times just typing this :v

[forbiddanlight]

Yes, this could be true. But I still find it really odd/kind of scummy that you are actually pushing a case on Tar/person-behind-Tar.

I'm WIFOMing myself given the previous games. If something better comes along, I'll probably go to it. But I think we need to lynch Tar sometime this game, and D1 makes us lose the least time/info, or something.

Abuse is so your specialty; why should I deny you the pleasure?~

Taking abuse maybe

ZazieR.

I'm going to hate myself for going to sleep now that this game has started. I think I've been cut 50 times just typing this :v

Ah, so it's ZazieR...but isn't she playing already? As in in the sign up list? It's someone not there that showed interest.

I'm going to do something else. Might be on later.

[dahill1]

It could be, it could not be. I'm not sure yet. I guess that's where the mind-screw comes in.

.....

so you think that the Mod (knows all the roles + sent them out to the players) is actually going to play and scumhunt with us?

.....

the person making those posts with tar is obviously not him, and i don't think you are this dense.

unvote vote caboose

qwints' PR is still beyond what I can see so far though, though I have some ideas. I agree that leaving him alive is probably the best thing that can be done right now.

woah woah. never said i wanted him alive, necessarily. just that we shouldn't waste the lynch on him

[BlakAdder]

I'm here. I also like the idea of lynching Tar.

vote: Tarhalindur, fos: Tarhalindur