STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[MagnaofIllusion]

He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??

Um I've laid out a pretty involved case on Creature beyond all the action information from today. Did you read it? I think it is pretty compelling as far as pointing out the distancing Creature did with both SirCakez and Skybird.

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

Fine. Since we're going in circles and everyone wants to have it their own way I'm declaring intent to hammer on anything that moves (including myself). Let's get this game finished and done with.

He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??

Creature or twie, which one if either do you think is scum?

[Reasonably Rational]

Someone not RR tell the difference between scum kill and scum factional kill?
How would scum kill only equal vig kill?
Anyone buying he's that dense, let me know.

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There are two types of kills.

There are factional kills.
There are vig shots.

Factional kills are generally only possessed by scum.
Vig shots can be possesses by any slot.

So, there are three specific types of kills your reflexive roleblock could protect you against:

Scum factional kill.
Scum vig shots/shots that come from a scum slots role, rather than the fact that they are scum.
Anybody else's vig shot (again, a shot from.their role)

By saying "scum kill" you leave it unclear whether you're referring to just the first item, or the first TWO items.

It does howver, make it clear that a vig shot from a non-scum slot should fail on you.

Does this clear up the semantic issues for you?
@A50: Farside is, Creature probably is, TWIE might be, Shiro might be, Fuzzy likely isn't, mastin VERY likely isn't, MoI/Random are third party and who knows wtf they want, Grapes likely isn't(but ignoring TWIES claim, I have no objective reason to believe he's town, it's all "yeah looks town because he feels town because he just does"), S_S might be (I have a little trouble reconciling power level of a Goon versus what we've seen in flips from all sides).

I'm missing someone? Who am I missing?

Oh. Kraska. Umm. Kraska needs more research on my part. Clearing the scum event is undeniably pro-town, the fact that she could only do so at negative stress is an indication that it's a scum power (see Skybird's strongman), but it's a stretch to think scum triggered the event just do kraska could clear it for town cred.

-Cerb

[Shadow_step]

Varsoon is the actual scum xDD

[farside22]

Scum have vig shots? Which mod put that broken shit in?
It specifically says factional kill.
Are you trying to get me mod kills by using exacting wording rr?

[Reasonably Rational]

Scum have vig shots? Which mod put that broken shit in?
It specifically says factional kill.
Are you trying to get me mod kills by using exacting wording rr?

Lol, no, all you needed to do was say factional kill.

I've seen scum with additional kills tied to roles. *shrug*

Okay, so you're vig and investigation proof. Got it.

I hate imprecision, ask any mod whose given me a complex role how many questions I kept badgering them about (those mods would be Varsoon, dramonic, and mastin).

Clearing up semantics is just what I do.

-Cerb

[TheFuzzylogic99]

MOI can you tell us why NC thinks RR is likely scum. Right now the reasoning seems a bit shaky. I might go with you on this if you can explain better,

I wrote a response to your post but than got looged out. Will get back to that later...... Sorry about that Almost

[Randomnamechange]

I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum

[Creature]

Though, if I flip town, what's your opinion on the result I got on you?

[Reasonably Rational]

I call bulshit on MoI. I post irrefutable logic that the Crystal Gems are lying about their win condition, and suddenly he has a guilty? That fits the pattern of the entire game since the moment we figured out there was a third party. Every time we question why they have lied to us repeatedly, MoI starts slinging OMGUS at us.

Mastin knows our role. Shiro knows our role. Titus was able to check our role claim and actually permanently stole an ability from us. Again: Shiro can confirm that Titus put us through the wringer AND used her ability to steal abilities to confirm our honesty. It actually pissed us off because we specifically wanted to connect with Titus again to gameplan how to maximize the ability she stole ... and then died before using.

The fact that MoI doesn't ever have shit to say about us unless I point out that the Crystal Gem faction has lied to us, at which point he always shows up and suggests we're scum ... kind of speaks for itself.

~Drixx

[Creature]

If the entire Crystal Gem can win with scum, this game is absurdly unbalanced.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I call bulshit on MoI. I post irrefutable logic that the Crystal Gems are lying about their win condition, and suddenly he has a guilty? That fits the pattern of the entire game since the moment we figured out there was a third party. Every time we question why they have lied to us repeatedly, MoI starts slinging OMGUS at us.

Mastin knows our role. Shiro knows our role. Titus was able to check our role claim and actually permanently stole an ability from us. Again: Shiro can confirm that Titus put us through the wringer AND used her ability to steal abilities to confirm our honesty. It actually pissed us off because we specifically wanted to connect with Titus again to gameplan how to maximize the ability she stole ... and then died before using.

The fact that MoI doesn't ever have shit to say about us unless I point out that the Crystal Gem faction has lied to us, at which point he always shows up and suggests we're scum ... kind of speaks for itself.

~Drixx

Um you haven't used irrefutable logic to prove that we are lying about our win-condition. You are trying to pass off your assumptions (which you believe, no-one else necessarily does) as proof when they are just that - assumptions. Which I and random both know for a fact your labored conclusion is incorrect. Chara even agrees that our Wincon is pretty clear and unambigous. And it strengthens my question about your alignment that you keep trying to somehow find a position that justifies all the work you have done doubt-casting the Gems.

The rest of this is literally flailing about. If you were Town who was confident that Mastin and Shiro both had your back then you wouldn't be this "emotional" about me scum reading you. Especially given I'm not even pushing for your lynch right now. Random has access to Not Chara's information also so even if I die he can fully relay information into the thread. Also scummy is your continual attempts to paint that my suspicion of you is only OMGUS when I've suspected your slot since early when I replaced in.

@Mastin or Shiro

- since you know RR's role and abilities why don't you claim them for him and we can put Not Chara's information to bed since

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum

Are you voting Creature? Please do so if not.

[Almost50]

He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??

Um I've laid out a pretty involved case on Creature beyond all the action information from today. Did you read it? I think it is pretty compelling as far as pointing out the distancing Creature did with both SirCakez and Skybird.

I did. The question is why isn't he being voted then? I'm sure the town still has the majority, so it doesn't make sense for you to lay down such a strong case + Creature playing so poor and yet not garnering enough votes.

VOTE: Creature

There! We need one more vote still for farside to be able hammer. Where the freak is random?

[Almost50]

Creature or twie, which one if either do you think is scum?

Creature is a bit scummier than TWIE to me. Both could be scum though.

[Creature]

How many votes I have?

[Creature]

Well, I already have 3 votes, so farside22 should be able to hammer me.

[TheWayItEnds]

At TWIE
I don't get why anyone would shoot Far knowing that she was self blocking.......Either you were not paying attention or you had a sure kill on Season finale........

Also cam you explain how the Historical fiction worked. How exactly were the three you picked corrected?

because for some reason i was thinking that at -4 kills couldnt be prevented.


Varsoon sent me essentially that list of claims and then i picked 3 to modify to the truth.
Skybird went from no actions to what was posted
shiro went from allied with fire, no actions to what was posted
snarkys didnt change from no action no ally.

[Almost50]

(those mods would be Varsoon, dramonic, and mastin).

Add skullduggery and you have my top 4 mods!

[Creature]

Also, I wasn't playing poor, what mainly got me lynched is that result I got, even if I didn't use that at all, I don't think it would impact The Cluster much. I was trying to gamesolve by PoEing it down to a few players while you were expecting my lynch would automatically solve the game.

[Creature]

Don't lynch RR until one of the non-topwagoners flip scum or MoI/random shows that their "guilty" is actually reasonable, not another bad tunneling.

[Almost50]

I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum

Last I checked you're not even voting him though!!

[Creature]

I'm already in hammer range, let farside22 do it.

[Creature]

TFL99, Shadow_step and Shiro went smoothly under the radar.

[Creature]

TheWayItEnds, TheFuzzylogic99, Shadow_step and Shiro, these all need to fullclaim tomorrow, don't let MoI lead another mislynch before that.