Open 524: Donner Party (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

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UNVOTE: beastcharizard

Just for now.

I'm not sure I buy the SK claim as opposed to scum flailing, but I'm open to counsel.

[goodmorning]

My chief concern against his SK claim is this:

1. Does Karnage even allow scumpartners to dictate actions for each other?
2. Why do you want us to believe so hard that neither Scum is dead?

[beastcharizard]

There is nothing to say he does or doesn't. Burden of proof on my I guess.

Have you ever been in a game where mafia whom didn't each have their own individual action weren't able to say who does the kill? If you have please link me to said game. Every time I have been mafia my team has been able to choose who did the killing. Like in my most recent Large game NY166 I believe I sent my partner to attack someone when my partner hadn't posted in the QT at all.

[Belisarius]

And #2?

You could be pulling a Wizard's First Rule on us.

And dammit, we can't risk it.

[beastcharizard]

I want you to believe no scum died so badly because it is true. If you all don't believe me that I haven't killed any scum then the scum will automatically win.

[Belisarius]

And also because if you hit scum at any point this game, or

are

scum, we

can

safely lynch you today. Of

course

you're going to want us to believe we can't.

No matter how many ways I try to approach the problem from, we can't bloody well risk it and that's pissing me off.

[Banakai]

I think he's probbably lieing mafia.

[Banakai]

I'd be up for lynching him

[Belisarius]

Except that if he's telling the truth, we lose right then and there.

Unless the SK was killed by scum last night, we

have

to lynch mafia today, and go into 1:1:1 tomorrow.

With a slot pending replacement

. That would be even worse than regular 1:1:1

Naturally bc gets roleblocked tonight, because otherwise lynching anybody but bc results in a sk win.

[Belisarius]

Wait a minute.

Shaheed's Law applies here.

If bc is telling the truth in that there are indeed two scum and a SK alive, that means the town has already lost. The best we can hope for is 1:1:1 with the surviving townie (Bana, belike) acting as a Kingmaker.

If you need something to be true or you're fucked, assume it is.

We

need

bc to be lying or we're fucked.

VOTE: beastcharizard

[Karnage]

Vote Count 3.1

NoctanNights (1):

beastcharizard,

beastcharizard (1):

Belisarius,

Not Voting (3):

NoctanNights, goodmorning, Banakai,

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday October 15th at 10 PM Eastern ((expired on 2013-10-15 22:00:00) remaining)

[beastcharizard]

I shouldn't be doing this but if you forced a no lynch situation at 1:1:1 me and scum would be forced to shoot at either you or each other thus giving town a 33% chance at the win. I am not going to hammer myself and neither is scum so without your vote we are basically forced into deciding the best course of action.

Also, if you lynch Noctan then we wouldn't have to worry about a replacement.

[goodmorning]

I'm more inclined to think he's Mafia-aligned and lying.

@bc: What makes you think Saki didn't hit Mafia last night, even if you were telling the truth about your role and your shots and not having hit Mafia?

@Beli: The SK can't have been killed last night. See below (all shots are accounted for)

@bc: Doesn't Donner have plurality lynches in that case anyway?
Besides which, if you really were the SK you'd realize that role gets 1-shot NK immunity, so would win in a 1:1:1.
And we know that the SK must still have his NK- AND RB-immunity because all shots are accounted for.
Therefore even if you ARE the SK we need to get rid of you and assume you're lying about both Mafia being alive.
And if you're gambitting Mafia as I believe then we need to get rid of you because it's incredibly doubtful that a 2-Maf team still exists with that gambit you've taken on. I'm quite convinced that either ER, BK, or Wisdom was your partner.

Therefore it is absolutely necessary to vote you.

@Ban, Beli: Do you have any more conversation you want to get out before I vote him?

[Belisarius]

It's nor ER, I got a not cannibal result on her.

[goodmorning]

Oh, true. BK or Wisdom then.

[beastcharizard]

I killed both BK and Wisdom so I know they were both vanilla townies.

GM, what is your role?

actually it is not guaranteed I win. There are many situations in which I would lose. I just present the ones that have the best bet of me winning.

Not content related:

You two are so much fun to play with. I am really enjoying this game.

[Banakai]

"Good morning what is your role"

obviously he's a vanilla townie or scum. All power roles are dead or claimed and he'd claim vanilla townie no matter what

I also think lynching beast would be our highest chance of winning at this point. He's likely either lying about both mafia being alive or about being the serial killer.

[beastcharizard]

I am not lying though. And lynching me means you are going to lose no matter what.

What makes you think I am lying and that this is a gambit? Why would I as mafia claim to be Dietician when I knew they were still alive? None of what I have done would logically be done by mafia in my opinion.

I am SK and I promise this. I asked GM to claim because they are trying to convince you all I am mafia and not SK. For all we know she might have counter claimed SK.

[Banakai]

None of what you did is logical for sk who doesn't want to get lynched. It is highly likely you are lieing, and Saki could have hit mafia with the vig. Also even if we do hit mafia today we can still lose. and I'd rather be beaten by 1 scum than 2 (That's just me)

[Banakai]

INTENT TO HAMMER BEASTCHARIZARD

if you have any reason for me not to, please speak now

[beastcharizard]

Well first I only have 1 vote.
Second, Saki was RB'd n1 and killed ER n2 whom Beli got a not cannibal read on. You would know about n1 since you claim to have RB'd them and Beli already said ER wasn't a cannible. I killed BK thinking they were going to turn up dietician.

If you want to be beaten by 1 person rather than 2 then you should be voting GM or Noctan. I promise that if you vote me the game ends with the first Donner Party scum win.

I just realized I am over looking the scums first kill. Either you or Beli could be lieing about your role.

@GM:
What is your opinion of my SK claim? I don't think I remember a clear opinion about it from you.

[goodmorning]

I think you're gambitting Mafia, as I have stated.

In any case, what makes you think I'm going to believe that
1. you targeted who you say you targeted and
2. they flipped what you say they flipped?

Because personally, I'm of the opinion that BK was your scumpartner and shot by Saki.

[beastcharizard]

I am now doubting my philosophy of who is scum. One of Beli and Banakai could be scum. Why I have been so closed minded is beyond me.

What I need is for you to explain to me why Saki would shoot BK.

[Belisarius]

Flail moar.

I have

such

a good feeling about this.

[beastcharizard]

Well your feeling is bad and you are wrong. If you are town then you should know that lynching me is the wrong decision because of my claim. If I am not telling the truth then I can very easily be role blocked tomorrow from my kill. Once you roleblock me you will find out that I am telling the truth when both kills go through. Even if they both don't go through you will still see that it is down to a 1:1:1.