Mini 828 - ProzacMod 3 - Lost Mafia - Over

[Santos]

Ah yes, mine does say that as well.

[ZONEACE]

Ah yes, mine does say that as well.

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So now it does? But before, you were unsure?

[Juls]

Please explain what I have just said

[Juls]

Start from the very last question I asked him on page 37 (post 924) and read through my interaction with him on page 38, particularly where he claims and OMGUS votes me.

Juls, what are your feelings on that?

This is moving fast and I am missing posts...going to do this now.

[Santos]

I still dont see how Kate is a obv pro-town role.

She isn't. I supported why that was not plausible enough of a reason to believe RECKONER is town.

I don't see how claiming on D2 does ANYONE but help the scum know who to kill.

I still don't see what is harmful about name claiming today, Juls, as apparently we have a dead doctor and an outed 'claimed' cop at the mafia's grasp. So what is there to hide?

Our remaining power roles maybe?

Juls, are you insinuating that claimed names such as Jack will instantly have the mafia night kill that player just because 'Jack' is a doctor in the show? Or are you insinuating that the mafia, regardless of anything discussed today at how stupid it would be to base a claim on alignment, would ignore all that and night kill someone based on a claimed name?

I think I found scum...

Unvote

Vote: Juls

[Santos]

So now it does? But before, you were unsure?

No, it was stated in the role pm towards the end. I just forgot about it during all this excitement

[ZONEACE]

I still dont see how Kate is a obv pro-town role.

She isn't. I supported why that was not plausible enough of a reason to believe RECKONER is town.

I don't see how claiming on D2 does ANYONE but help the scum know who to kill.

I still don't see what is harmful about name claiming today, Juls, as apparently we have a dead doctor and an outed 'claimed' cop at the mafia's grasp. So what is there to hide?

Our remaining power roles maybe?

Juls, are you insinuating that claimed names such as Jack will instantly have the mafia night kill that player just because 'Jack' is a doctor in the show? Or are you insinuating that the mafia, regardless of anything discussed today at how stupid it would be to base a claim on alignment, would ignore all that and night kill someone based on a claimed name?

I think I found scum...

Unvote

Vote: Juls

there is absolutely NO logic in any of your posts or lines of thought.

[Santos]

Dude, she just told us she will not claim a name because she is scared that our remaining power roles will be outed.

I am not asking for roles, just names. She thinks, apparently by name claiming, that the mafia team will now target players based on name claims irregardless of anything we've discussed today.

How does that not make sense?

[ZONEACE]

Dude, she just told us she will not claim a name because she is scared that our remaining power roles will be outed.

I am not asking for roles, just names. She thinks, apparently by name claiming, that the mafia team will now target players based on name claims irregardless of anything we've discussed today.

How does that not make sense?

HOW DOES THAT MAKE HER SCUM??????


thats what you aren't explaining.

[Santos]

She does not believe that name claims indicate alignment, however, she believes that name claims will out our remaining power roles.

Basically, she is insinuating that someone who claims Jack will now be a target for the mafia because he is a power role, or someone who claims Sayid will be a target for the mafia becaus he will most likely be a vigilante.

[Santos]

Oh, I think she is scum because she is contradicting in her argument.

[Juls]

OK First to Santos. I am not sure what you want exactly. You first said name-claiming when you brought all this up. In your big post that started this fast post craziness you said you wanted FULL claims. So this is my unchanged stance:

1) I do not support name claims because they are not going to be helpful and may lead us down a bad path.

2) I do not support FULL claims because they are telling scum EVERYTHING on D2.

VP...response coming in just a sec.

[ZONEACE]

She does not believe that name claims indicate alignment, however, she believes that name claims will out our remaining power roles.

Basically, she is insinuating that someone who claims Jack will now be a target for the mafia because he is a power role, or someone who claims Sayid will be a target for the mafia becaus he will most likely be a vigilante.

still not seeing the scum slip.

especially after you "forgot" your role PM said that your role could change throughout the game.

[Santos]

In your big post that started this fast post craziness you said you wanted FULL claims

I will remove my vote if you can provide wehre I said full claim, as opposed to name claim.

[Santos]

still not seeing the scum slip.

First scummy slip was taking what I wanted and saying that name claims will out our remaining power roles. Claimed names

WILL NOT DO THIS

as its been argued vehemently that claimed names will not prodive innocence of alignment!
And, she just said another one by thinking I was asking for FULL claims as opposed to name claims.

[ZONEACE]

In your big post that started this fast post craziness you said you wanted FULL claims

I will remove my vote if you can provide wehre I said full claim, as opposed to name claim.

uh, where you full claimed, listed other peoples claims and insinuated others should follow.

[ZONEACE]

still not seeing the scum slip.

First scummy slip was taking what I wanted and saying that name claims will out our remaining power roles. Claimed names

WILL NOT DO THIS

as its been argued vehemently that claimed names will not prodive innocence of alignment!
And, she just said another one by thinking I was asking for FULL claims as opposed to name claims.

i agree with her.

so i don't see a scum slip.

[Santos]

especially after you "forgot" your role PM said that your role could change throughout the game.

Yes, I did forget because I seriously didn't think being iron would be taken away, just as RECKONER didn't think being a cop could be taken away.

[Santos]

i agree with her.

so i don't see a scum slip.

Christ, someone else reading has to see what I mean.

[ZONEACE]

i agree with her.

so i don't see a scum slip.

Christ, someone else reading has to see what I mean.

no because she's right, you said in your post both taht you wanted name claims and full claims.

[Juls]

@VP: Regarding your interaction with CKD. First, I didn't think that it was a good reason to unvote with the "your role could change" thing being his big motivator. I say that because I get the impression (and knew in my case) that everyone likely has that in their PM. However, I will say that his unvote reaction felt sincere even if I disagree with it. On the other-hand I don't understand his brain lapse on Reckoner's claim and I do like your side by side analysis of the role PMs. And I didn't like his OMGUS on you because I have stated my views on you for this game thus far.

I have already answered but for the record I got a quick response to my question/answer from the mod.

[Santos]

Are you putting words in my mouth? Where am i saying FULL claims?

[ZONEACE]

You said

"i'll go first"

then you role claimed, and listed all the other claims that have been made.

you going first clearly indicates you wanted someone else to follow in the role claiming.

[Juls]

So, as it is now apparent that flavor is entirely non-consequential to alignment, I would now be in favor of

mass claiming

and applying the claimed names to how people have played today.

I will go first.

Santos, originally iron townie off the island

, but now a plain

vanilla townie

on the island.
RECKONER, originally a

cop off the island

, now a

vanilla townie

on the island.
Canadianbovine, on or off the island? claimed

vanilla townie

VP Baltar, off the island,

claimed miller

?

The BOLD is what made me think you wanted full claims. What's missing from that? YOUR NAME CLAIM! So that is what told me you wanted full claims.

[Santos]

You're just assuming, bud.