Micro 904: Radja's Story Episode 1 - GAME OVER

[Nancy Drew 39]

Although to be fair, people don't really tunnel anymore. I don't think I've seen a tunnel in a while, either. Most play these days seems to be more involved in making yourself look towny than finding and lynching scum.

I think e was definitely death tunneling me in such a way that almost seemed to border on gaslighting. That’s why I was so sure e had to be scum, based specifically on the way e went about it. Twilight didn’t really help too much either. The next day e did a lot better minus the whole “the case on Amrun was trash” thing, excepted.

That's possible.
Reading him and trying to make sense of his posts after I was dead was bad enough that I just had to stop trying to keep up with the game, so after a while I simply skimmed everything and ignored his posts.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way. Everytime I tried to engage EM, people doubted their tr on me. I was so extremely confused by it, it temporarily really badly messed with my head outside of the game. I’m just really grateful that my extreme temporary confusion didn’t mess up a really terrific friendship I had, because I was seriously that messed up over that.

[Chemist1422]

I was strongly considering scum!Gamma during the night so you got lucky there tbh :v

[Gamma Emerald]

I should have claimed some type of gated tracker, or just VT. It was an error on my part.

Yeah, you totally fucked yourself with that.
I guess, I should have considered bussing as a possibility specifically because of that.

Chemist dying over confitown Uncrowned, also threw me but he was obviously killed to frame Zenith, so brilliant move there, Gamma.

I p much decided whether to kill Chemist on what I thought he could do to harm my ability to win if left him alive a full vigilante versus being flipped as full vigilante
I felt like in the former scenario he and Zenith could have gotten into an interaction that would have made Zenith obvtown

Had Uncrowned died, I might have possibly reconsidered my Zenith read because it really made no sense for him to have killed Uncrowned over Chemist. Chemist wasn’t targeting you and you had to know that game was ending either that night or the following day, so if your goal was not exactly to frame Zenith, then that seems counterintuitive, as Chemist was no longer a threat to you and was possible mislynchbait.

THe issue was I had to block Chemist in case he had another shot, otherwise Zenith goes before I want him to and it’s down to you and me as suspects, and idk how well I would have fared in that scenario. So I had to weigh the two universes of “dead full vig Chemist” and “still living full vig Chemist” (one shot was not an issue because Zenith couldn’t have the reaction I was planning around) and the former seemed less risky just based on that evaluation

[Gamma Emerald]

Although to be fair, people don't really tunnel anymore. I don't think I've seen a tunnel in a while, either. Most play these days seems to be more involved in making yourself look towny than finding and lynching scum.

I think e was definitely death tunneling me in such a way that almost seemed to border on gaslighting. That’s why I was so sure e had to be scum, based specifically on the way e went about it. Twilight didn’t really help too much either. The next day e did a lot better minus the whole “the case on Amrun was trash” thing, excepted.

Yeah I was 99% certain of the win when Zenith put on that twilight performance

[Gamma Emerald]

Although to be fair, people don't really tunnel anymore. I don't think I've seen a tunnel in a while, either. Most play these days seems to be more involved in making yourself look towny than finding and lynching scum.

I think e was definitely death tunneling me in such a way that almost seemed to border on gaslighting. That’s why I was so sure e had to be scum, based specifically on the way e went about it. Twilight didn’t really help too much either. The next day e did a lot better minus the whole “the case on Amrun was trash” thing, excepted.

That's possible.
Reading him and trying to make sense of his posts after I was dead was bad enough that I just had to stop trying to keep up with the game, so after a while I simply skimmed everything and ignored his posts.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way. Everytime I tried to engage him, people doubted their tr on me. I was so extremely confused by it, it temporarily really badly messed with my head outside of the game. I’m just really grateful that my extreme temporary confusion didn’t mess up a really terrific friendship I had, because I was seriously that messed up over that.

If this friendship is your friendship with Jingle I’m real glad you managed to keep that intact after a taxing hydra game, I remember in DND mafia RC and Keychain has a falling out while hydra’ed that caused Keychain to rep out

[GuiltyLion]

I normally don't like when people jump in to comment on games they didn't play, bc I know being in the game changes how you view everything, but I was reading along for both phases of MYLO and I think you all are being unfair to Zenith here. There's a lot of funky scum roles that could counter town power, RC mentioned bus driver, you could also have a Ninja making the kills. I won a micro once as an SK using a vig claim so Chem wasn't like especially cleared as town either. I wouldn't place the blame entirely on Zenith for thinking the case on Amrun wasn't great from a pure setup spec perspective and I think it's kinda hypocritical to tell em he needs to learn from his mistakes without also acknowledging your own, and my view in mafia is any time you have voted a mislynch then you have made a mistake (barring scenarios where the mislynch is necessary in PoE solving the game).

[GuiltyLion]

sorry Zenith, tell em to learn from eir mistakes*

[Nancy Drew 39]

I should have claimed some type of gated tracker, or just VT. It was an error on my part.

Yeah, you totally fucked yourself with that.
I guess, I should have considered bussing as a possibility specifically because of that.

Chemist dying over confitown Uncrowned, also threw me but he was obviously killed to frame Zenith, so brilliant move there, Gamma.

I p much decided whether to kill Chemist on what I thought he could do to harm my ability to win if left him alive a full vigilante versus being flipped as full vigilante
I felt like in the former scenario he and Zenith could have gotten into an interaction that would have made Zenith obvtown

Had Uncrowned died, I might have possibly reconsidered my Zenith read because it really made no sense for him to have killed Uncrowned over Chemist. Chemist wasn’t targeting you and you had to know that game was ending either that night or the following day, so if your goal was not exactly to frame Zenith, then that seems counterintuitive, as Chemist was no longer a threat to you and was possible mislynchbait.

THe issue was I had to block Chemist in case he had another shot, otherwise Zenith goes before I want him to and it’s down to you and me as suspects, and idk how well I would have fared in that scenario. So I had to weigh the two universes of “dead full vig Chemist” and “still living full vig Chemist” (one shot was not an issue because Zenith couldn’t have the reaction I was planning around) and the former seemed less risky just based on that evaluation

Although to be fair, people don't really tunnel anymore. I don't think I've seen a tunnel in a while, either. Most play these days seems to be more involved in making yourself look towny than finding and lynching scum.

I think e was definitely death tunneling me in such a way that almost seemed to border on gaslighting. That’s why I was so sure e had to be scum, based specifically on the way e went about it. Twilight didn’t really help too much either. The next day e did a lot better minus the whole “the case on Amrun was trash” thing, excepted.

That's possible.
Reading him and trying to make sense of his posts after I was dead was bad enough that I just had to stop trying to keep up with the game, so after a while I simply skimmed everything and ignored his posts.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way. Everytime I tried to engage him, people doubted their tr on me. I was so extremely confused by it, it temporarily really badly messed with my head outside of the game. I’m just really grateful that my extreme temporary confusion didn’t mess up a really terrific friendship I had, because I was seriously that messed up over that.

If this friendship is your friendship with Jingle I’m real glad you managed to keep that intact after a taxing hydra game, I remember in DND mafia RC and Keychain has a falling out while hydra’ed that caused Keychain to rep out

No but I don’t really want to discuss it here, the point is that I was a complete mess because of it and it affected my behaviour in very disturbing ways, because I was literally doubting my own mind, just like in the actual move.

[Radja]

time for the PT's

Dead thread
Mod topic
Home of the Criminals
Zenith's PT
Little Grey Cells PT
Haggle PT

[Billy Pilgrim]

Rarely can you point to two specific points in the game and say "if, at these two points, something had gone differently, the game would have gone differently."

Both town lynches are arguably largely your fault. If you had posted L-1 when you voted me, and if you hadn't opposed the Amrun push when you admit to not knowing what was happening, I doubt either of us would have gotten lynched.

Could you also include Haggle vig in that as well?

You dont think we should have been vigged? You don't think we'd have been a distraction all game?

[Bingle]

If I were to post this somewhere else on site, you don't think anyone could balance this setup?

The issue wasn't that it was impossible to balance. The issue was that the idea it was a balanced setup with those particular roles was a crazy far fetched one and thus very unlikely.

Similarly, from our PoV there were 2 scum in {Amrun/Gamma/You}, so evaluating past "Wow, that claim is super scummy." doesn't really matter at that point.

The fact that the case could have been wrong doesn't make it not a strong case, or there would never be strong cases.

Odd Night Cop
Bodyguard
Tracker
1-shot Vig
3x VT

Vs any 2 scum roles. Bastard roles allowed.

If I were to post this somewhere else on site, you don't think anyone could balance this setup?

Bus Driver
Goon

First of all, the Bodyguard is significantly more powerful than a normal bodyguard. Second of all that's an awful setup.

[Bingle]

You dont think we should have been vigged? You don't think we'd have been a distraction all game?

I think you were a fine vig.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rarely can you point to two specific points in the game and say "if, at these two points, something had gone differently, the game would have gone differently."

Both town lynches are arguably largely your fault. If you had posted L-1 when you voted me, and if you hadn't opposed the Amrun push when you admit to not knowing what was happening, I doubt either of us would have gotten lynched.

Could you also include Haggle vig in that as well?

You dont think we should have been vigged? You don't think we'd have been a distraction all game?

It’s more the fact that Chemist used his ONLY vigshot on you but why did you guys hammer like that? Why not wait for Enter to claim?

[Billy Pilgrim]

You dont think we should have been vigged? You don't think we'd have been a distraction all game?

I think you were a fine vig.

Yeah, I thought we were fine. Once Chemist claimed it I was like, yup, that makes sense. My accidental hammer was a boneheaded move, so eating a bullet made sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rarely can you point to two specific points in the game and say "if, at these two points, something had gone differently, the game would have gone differently."

Both town lynches are arguably largely your fault. If you had posted L-1 when you voted me, and if you hadn't opposed the Amrun push when you admit to not knowing what was happening, I doubt either of us would have gotten lynched.

Could you also include Haggle vig in that as well?

You dont think we should have been vigged? You don't think we'd have been a distraction all game?

I think my point may have been understood btw. I was only including in addition to the Enter/Zenith mislynches, because it happened as a direct result of it.

[Bingle]

TBC, I don't blame Zen for the loss. D1 was a shitshow on the part of all the townplayers, Gamma played a fine scumgame that didn't make me want to reevaluate there, and the only reason we were even in contention for winning was because all of town's surviving PRs managed to synergize crazy well N1. D1 ended way too fast. My proposed mass flavorclaim took way more of a centerstage position than it should have (it was intended solely to propel us out of RVS, but somehow managed to be a major talking point). Amrun made a minor mistake with the claim and a major one by not fighting back on the push, and we trusted Gamma a bit too much. Enter also had his fair share of :lolwut: posting, for example afaik his contribution to Perfect Masquerade was a mutual suicide with RC that killed 4 town players. I was in that game, and replaced into a scum slot with no dead partners after Enter was already dead, so his claims there were particularly eyebrow raising for me.

tl;dr This was a well deserved scum win, and a fine setup. Thanks for the game Radja and sorry I was V/LA for the end of it. I'm glad it got run and it was a fine setup. The flavor was pretty good too and I look forward to seeing how the story unfolds.

[Amrun]

^ Overall agree.

Had my scum partner been someone in jeopardy, I would have fought back tooth and nail. I sat down and looked at my associatives and realized if I cleared a mislynch trying to save myself, we’d be screwed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

^ Overall agree.

Had my scum partner been someone in jeopardy, I would have fought back tooth and nail. I sat down and looked at my associatives and realized if I cleared a mislynch trying to save myself, we’d be screwed.

I respectfully disagree with my hydra partner. Yes, we both though Gamma looked super obvtown here but the specific way in which Zenith death tunnelled my slot, I have only experienced from scum, so imo. it was a combination of Gamma acting super obvtown and Zenith being over the top scummy - particularly in the way e went about death tunneling me plus Gamma NKing Chemist over Uncrowned. I think an Uncrowned NK would have absolutely forced me to re-evaluate my Zenith/Gamma reads. Ironically had Uncrowned not wrongly pegged our slot, as the other possibility for scum and sheeped Zenith on Gamma, that might possibly have lead to a no lynch and since Zenith was looking arguably more townie on D2, maybe it could have possibly made a difference? Well, we’ll obviously never know, since it didn’t happen.

[Enter]

My proposed mass flavorclaim took way more of a centerstage position than it should have

This part was particularly ridiculous.

As far as Perfect Masquerade is concerned, the fact that up until Radiant Cowbells decided to throw all effort out the window that was the most controlled and coordinated town game I've ever been a part of and I think it had a very major part to do with my play. I think you're throwing a lot of shade for not being there and I'm telling you you're completely fucking wrong if you think that my contribution to that game can be summed up in a policy lynch on RadiantCowbells.

My town game that game was probably some of the best I've ever had and what I hope to play with in every game. I will fight you on this tooth and fucking nail if I have too, I'm pretty sick of this "reads are all that matter" bullshit. You weren't there and it looks like you're tossing conjecture on shit you skimmed. Come at me or fuck off.

[Bingle]

The game was decided by a LYLO with a bunch of replacements who hadn't read the part of the game you were in. You could have played the game amazingly outside of the 1v1 with RCbells. I wouldn't know having not read that part. Your contribution to the townwin was minimal FMPOV, and your

I think every player in perfect Masquerade would disagree with you, and considering you didn't play...

Raised all sorts of alarm bells because of it. :shrug:

[Uncrowned]

I'd like to pre in for the next episode if possible.

I'll play my more usual active style bc the one I tried this game was... ughh

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to pre in for the next episode if possible.

I'll play my more usual active style bc the one I tried this game was... ughh

I would not be opposed to trying to hydra with you that game

[Zenith]

Just for the record, I wanted to lynch Gamma at the end there. Which, if town had gone along with me on that, would have resulted in town win. JS
=p

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just for the record, I wanted to lynch Gamma at the end there. Which, if town had gone along with me on that, would have resulted in town win. JS
=p

True. I wasn’t really clear why you switched to Gamma over us who you were death tunneling the day before.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would also like to pre-in for the next one. Not sure yet if I’ll play solo or in a hydra.