Mini 1442: House of Cards - GAME OVER

[Aj The Epic]

So then explain how scum hasn't won yet?

[Majiffy]

Possible that Venmar forgot to submit his night action. How the hell should I know? All I know is he admitted he was scum and now he's lying about it.

[FuDuzn]

AJ.

Please try to explain Venmar's quick double vote of Passion then?

Or, anyone please justify how that is a town based vote.

[Aj The Epic]

He could've very easily wanted to force a reaction and just miscalculated. I voted at the beginning of the day, and there was probably a good week between my vote and the hammer. Obviously, no one had anything pressing to say.

[FuDuzn]

Yeah, this game is going nowhere.

VOTE: Passionfruit

I agree.

Vote1: Paschendale

Vote2: Paschendale

I will just leave this right here........

[FuDuzn]

We were also more then a week till deadline.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm finally back at a real working PC. Frankly I need this confirmation before I do anything.

Mod: Please confirm that there is no restriction for Venmar's power based on game day or game state (ie LYLO).

[killerjester]

The Second votecount of Day 5

Majiffy -[1]- Venmar
FuDuzn -[0]-
Venmar -[1]- Majiffy
Aj The Epic -[0]-
Debonair Danny DiPietro -[0]-

Not voting: FuDuzn, Aj The Epic, Debonair Danny DiPietro

With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch, or 3 to no lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-09 14:30:00), or

June 9th, 2013 @ 2:30pm EST

Mod: Please confirm that there is no restriction for Venmar's power based on game day or game state (ie LYLO).

Correct.

[Aj The Epic]

So, if Thezmon directed me, who else was directed? Or was I the only one?

Also, DDDP, what do you think now that the mod has confirmed Venmar could've won by now were he scum?

[Majiffy]

Also, DDDP, what do you think now that the mod has confirmed Venmar could've won by now

were he scum?

had he not fucked up and not sent in his night action?

The premise I'm operating under at this point.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

o, DDDP, what do you think now that the mod has confirmed Venmar could've won by now were he scum?

Unfortunately it doesn't really help, so Venmar has time to taunt Majiffy in a QT about auto-winning but he doesn't have time to actually submit the action to do so? That's simply not credible to me at all but from his tone it sounds to me as if Majiffy is lying but I'm left wondering why because it's such a willfully stupid lie if that's the case.

While we're here, you're a tracker and we never heard a night result from you, every other night action is pretty irrelevant at this point but I'd like to know who you chose and what you got anyways.

[Aj The Epic]

I think I mentioned I was forced by Thezmon to track Venmar. And he went to you. You obviously weren't the kill and I believe I should've been able to see a double night action. Which is why I'm also stating that Venmar did not make last night's kill. And he has your vote.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

FuDuzn gets to keep his vote.. I decided to not votesteal in shame of my bad hammer yesterday.

So if he obviously didn't try to kill me why is he lying to us then AJ?

[Aj The Epic]

Dunno. But it begs the question of if Thezmon forced a vote steal on his own teammate. I mean, we have two unaccounted for people that Thez could manipulate and of the alive, the only manipulating he could've done was Venmar, Majiffy and myself.

So, welcome to confirmed scum by your own logic...

VOTE: DDDP

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Dunno. But it begs the question of if Thezmon forced a vote steal on his own teammate. I mean, we have two unaccounted for people that Thez could manipulate and of the alive, the only manipulating he could've done was Venmar, Majiffy and myself.

So, welcome to confirmed scum by your own logic...

VOTE: DDDP

A) You should unvote ASAP, not kidding because that's an idiotic vote that'll lose the town the game quickly if you don't lift it.
B) Wait, so your hypothesis is that thez forced Venmar-scum to steal my scum-vote? And despite the vote Majiffy has already placed on Venmar you vote for me? Why exactly?
C) In your earlier assumptions of "Venmar must be town because no quickhammer" you make a massive assumption of an error, can you spot it?

[Aj The Epic]

Look, here's how I see it: There's one scenario how Venmar hasn't won: You're scum.

He visited you last night. There's no denying that. Thezmon might've directed it. So, either he wins because you aren't scum or can't win because you are. If you're scum and he is scum, then the reason HE can't win is because they don't control vote majority.

Otherwise, it's not Venmar since he took your vote.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Look, here's how I see it: There's one scenario how Venmar hasn't won: You're scum.

He visited you last night. There's no denying that. Thezmon might've directed it. So, either he wins because you aren't scum or can't win because you are. If you're scum and he is scum, then the reason HE can't win is because they don't control vote majority.

Otherwise, it's not Venmar since he took your vote.

Still wrong, he doesn't have my vote because I commuted last night, his targeting me failed and thus he and his scum partner don't have a majority that way or at least that's the most likely scenario that I'm seeing. Please unvote in a more than little embarrased fashion.

[Aj The Epic]

Still relies on a lot of if's...

But fine.

UNVOTE:

So what do you purpose?

[Aj The Epic]

Woah. Fucked that word up. "Propose" not 'purpose'.

[FuDuzn]

Well if Venmar did try to still Triple D P's vote but he did commute then Venmar didn't steal anyones vote, and Majiffy may be telling the truth that Ven was gloating that scum wins since he thought he could steal the vote from DDDP. Coupled with Ven's quick hammer yesterDay I almost say we lynch Ven.

But, would Venmar be alerted to the fact that he didn't actually successfully steal a vote?

[Aj The Epic]

DDDP, can you vote Venmar? We'll get a vote count after and check to see if your vote shows.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

There's no ifs about it AJ, he doesn't have my vote. Look at the scenarios in play...

Scum Venmar is (forced? but doesn't matter) to target town-me, I commute so he doesn't have my vote, if you were scum you'd just have voted already, Majiffy doesn't make much sense as a scum partner cross-voting here in LYLO and the earlier weak doc death suggests Jiffy-town anyways; thus FuDu is probably his scum partner.

Scum Venmar is forced to target me, I'm his scum partner... actually I need more info to construct this scenario because I don't know the below because not scum...

@Mod: if I were scum could I commute and send in the scum kill on the same night?

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PEdit:

I almost certainly will do that in the near future AJ but I'd rather finish hashing things out before we get to the proving myself portion of the show.

[Aj The Epic]

My only line of thought is if you DON'T possess your vote, it'd be pretty damning (Because you wouldn't have commuted and had lied to us). Other than that, yes, there doesn't seem to be much pointing anywhere else besides Venmar.

[Venmar]

I didn't take anybody's vote, just look at the votecount at daybreak, it's not that hard ffs.

[Venmar]

Why would I try to steal DDDP's vote as scum hoping for an easy win, knowing he could commute? Why wouldn't I just steal AJ's or Majiffy's for a guaranteed steal and a win? This doesn't add up logically.