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[RationalMadman]

Put greedybear on my scumreads list rn.

Oh it's greedybanger not bear, I was confused by LK's message.

I am basing it on JV not GB.

Has this changed at all yet Madman? What's your view on Greedy at this point?

I'm voting him and just said I scumread him.

[RationalMadman]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought random was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

Why Awesome and not Charles or Not_Mafia. What differentiates these slots to you?

I can reply to both the question and the NM vote. If you want me to.

[Roden]

Alright, just wanted to see if this was a tunnel on the slot or if you specifically scum read Greedy now

[RationalMadman]

Alright, just wanted to see if this was a tunnel on the slot or if you specifically scum read Greedy now

I scumread others too, I've made my reads crystal clear.

Tunneling and scumreading are not mutually exclusive if anything they're mutually inclusive.

[RationalMadman]

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought random was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

Random

[GreedyBanger]

I read it as survivalist, which I suppose is akin to performative. You wanted them to help you divert the vote from yourself.

You overestimate how scary you are.

I can reply to both the question and the NM vote. If you want me to.

Go ahead.

[GreedyBanger]

Well as far as misquote badness goes thats at least pretty clean.

[GreedyBanger]

RM I really think I can be called a lot of things in this game but survivalist isn't one. If we had to kill a green flip today I've at least come in and made some noise that can be combed through to inform later decisions. If my goals here were survivalist I would coast through like 4 and a half days without much scrutiny, or at least scrutiny shared with like 6 other candidates.

[RationalMadman]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought random was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

Why Awesome and not Charles or Not_Mafia. What differentiates these slots to you?

I can reply to both the question and the NM vote. If you want me to.

NM is negative utility to either team he is on due to the dedicated playstyle literally based around being as antitown as he can get away with with as little effort as can be spent on it.

If he is Scum, he will lose later for his team. That's my hope anyway. If he isn't Scum, then he is clearly a wrong vote.

I don't see why targeting NM is such a good idea this late into the DP. I also believe a Scum HA means a Town NM firmly, look at the votes and approach NM has taken.

As for the differentiation, Charles can be scum with anybody at all in the game. One of his partner maybe even busvoted him for the sake of it to which he scumreads them back. This is not true for NM and Awesomeming.

Playstylewise, NM and Charles have far more in common than either with Awesomeming. Awesomeming is trying, just low frequency posting, the other 2 are trolling with intent.

[RationalMadman]

RM I really think I can be called a lot of things in this game but survivalist isn't one. If we had to kill a green flip today I've at least come in and made some noise that can be combed through to inform later decisions. If my goals here were survivalist I would coast through like 4 and a half days without much scrutiny, or at least scrutiny shared with like 6 other candidates.

Your goals are survivalist even if you deny it and make it about me not being scary. You very clearly don't want to die this DP and that is the primary objective of your interactions in this later part of the DP. What is the point in denying that?

You know you can't stop the Awesomeming wagon yet pretend to be protesting it, happy it's not you but preemptively annoyed that he will flip Town. That's the read I get. You could feel all that as Town though. For what it's worth, I also believe awesomeming flips Town and am not happy about the vote. I don't see who else to vote.

[RationalMadman]

By vote at the last part I mean a vote that will carry to elimination

[RationalMadman]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

[GreedyBanger]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

I think your survivalist read on me is just me being in the same position as you here. I'm not attempting to build a coalition as an alternative to myself beyond not wanting to eliminate the only confirmed green flip i'm aware of. I'm attempting to find an alternative to THAT.

[GreedyBanger]

Can I really not interest you in some HT RM? You arn't getting Black today. Higher chance but still pretty hard to get me today. They have not been a townread for you. You might be misreading me.

[RationalMadman]

You already said if HT flips Town, Black and I are who you target next. If I vote HT off with you and she flips Town and if you are Town, I am guaranteeing a you Vs me dynamic down the line. That's not good at all.

HT is not really scumtelling, the reason I do out her firmly in my scumpool is there is something that seems buslike about her and HA. So unlike you, a Scum HT makes me suspect HA is Scum too.

[RationalMadman]

Robbnva, Roden, T3, awesomeming327 - Your votes right now are not going anywhere. Please either make a stronger case or be constructive elsewhere. Town WILL be led by scum with so many non participants.

Not_Mafia, Charles510 - I know you guys are going for a whole shtick thing here (And I do not wish to damage your glass houses) but the same can be said of yourselves. Find some way to incorporate your shtick into doing anything please.

Did all the people your first part warned earn a townread from you? Otherwise it's a strange warning.

If I don't think that those are the exact three scum team then its meant for SOMEBODY. Scum will ignore it. I don't get the issue here, did you read it as performative, coaching or something else?

They are 4 not 3 btw

[RationalMadman]

If JV had come back with intense tryhardihg and analysis like promised, I'd have Townread him.

The total absence of that combined with GB's joining on HT which isn't explained well at all make me vote GB.

Do you think JV was trying to bus me or do you think we're unpartnered?

Bus. I think it was intended to not carry through this DP and become a thing later. This a assumes Scum JV

I think it goes like this:
NM Vs HA 1 scum.

Black, Robb, awesomeming, 1 scum. (Maybe T3)

GB, HT, Gypyx (maybe T3, can't read him at all) 1 Scum.

Other team combos that contradict that don't add up to me as is.

That's my current theory.

Charles is trolling Town.

Roden is typical Town.

LK is slightly Town.

[GreedyBanger]

You already said if HT flips Town, Black and I are who you target next. If I vote HT off with you and she flips Town and if you are Town, I am guaranteeing a you Vs me dynamic down the line. That's not good at all.

HT is not really scumtelling, the reason I do out her firmly in my scumpool is there is something that seems buslike about her and HA. So unlike you, a Scum HT makes me suspect HA is Scum too.

You are putting a lot of stock in the idea that I was honest about my reads to the person I have been trying to kill since my first post. I actually do agree that HT bussed HA. My only objection was that for both Black and HT to bus HA is probably too much. I'm now not scumreading Black. We do not share the exact same view of the board here but we have common ground and can work towards it.

[Gypyx]

this game is so hard to engage with idk why. just reading this thread is making my eyes glaze over but i'll try to give some catchup thoughts:

- ming i think is lurking town. i've seen similar posting patterns from him before (i was scum then tho).
- i think i was probably wrong on rationalmadman. his arguments with black are screaming tvt to me.
- i think a lot of discussion is being wasted speculating on things i haven't said.
- hu tao and robbnva still slight scumvibes.
- roden, gypyx, greedybanger townvibes.
- everyone else is null. complete white noise.

do you think ming would act differently as scum?

[Gypyx]

I guess I wouldn't hate a not mafia wagon either.

I think this is town N_M though

[Gypyx]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

Unless you've got anything tangible awesome is the slot that has the highest odds of flipping scum

[RationalMadman]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

Unless you've got anything tangible awesome is the slot that has the highest odds of flipping scum

No, it isn't. You made that up.

[RationalMadman]

this game is so hard to engage with idk why. just reading this thread is making my eyes glaze over but i'll try to give some catchup thoughts:

- ming i think is lurking town. i've seen similar posting patterns from him before (i was scum then tho).
- i think i was probably wrong on rationalmadman. his arguments with black are screaming tvt to me.
- i think a lot of discussion is being wasted speculating on things i haven't said.
- hu tao and robbnva still slight scumvibes.
- roden, gypyx, greedybanger townvibes.
- everyone else is null. complete white noise.

do you think ming would act differently as scum?

I know he would but can't discuss one of the games that let me know that as it's ongoing. I have seen him as both.

[RationalMadman]

You already said if HT flips Town, Black and I are who you target next. If I vote HT off with you and she flips Town and if you are Town, I am guaranteeing a you Vs me dynamic down the line. That's not good at all.

HT is not really scumtelling, the reason I do out her firmly in my scumpool is there is something that seems buslike about her and HA. So unlike you, a Scum HT makes me suspect HA is Scum too.

You are putting a lot of stock in the idea that I was honest about my reads to the person I have been trying to kill since my first post. I actually do agree that HT bussed HA. My only objection was that for both Black and HT to bus HA is probably too much. I'm now not scumreading Black. We do not share the exact same view of the board here but we have common ground and can work towards it.

No I'm not. I am voting you and believe you can be lying. I was talking about if you're Town.

[Gypyx]

i think it's funny how the strongest evidence anyone's come up for me is "this guy doesn't vote his scumreads"

this reads as scum annoyed they're getting caught for the wrong reasons