Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[Alianna]

3.02

Votecount 3.02

Celebloki (E-2): Aureal, camelCasedSnivy
KittyTacky (1): yessiree
camelCasedSnivy (1): KittyTacky

Not Voting (2): Celebloki, Not_Mafia

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-07 14:32:20).

[yessiree]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

well dang, no one wants to make my life easier later it seems

in that case please shoot kitty

[Aureal]

We've got like, lots of time to go over things yet x_x

[yessiree]

We've got like, lots of time to go over things yet x_x

im all for it ma'am, but celeb who I expressly townread is at E-2 with other votes in play

and if over easy is any indication of how things are gonna go, plus this playerlist, it's just gonna be a bunch of people having confbias discussion at a slug speed and then eventually lose interest and have to make snap judgement at deadline anyway

[Celebloki]

Yea, I think we go Snivy

VOTE: CCS

[Aureal]

Oh ffs we're gonna end day already?!

I really don't have time and motivation right now to re-read everything with the flips in mind but I

will

get there.

UNVOTE: if that's what's making you feel so rushed, sheesh

[yessiree]

dont sheesh me

I REBUKE UR SHEESH

UNVOTE:

[camelCasedSnivy]

yessiree can you just choose someone else

[yessiree]

i mean if yall can come to a consensus tr, that is fine with me

[camelCasedSnivy]

ya that consensus tr is me

[yessiree]

According to who

[Celebloki]

I think I'm pretty dead set on there having to be scum between Kitty and Snivy. I'm still leaning towards Snivy between the two. If you specifically read DE, RC, Kitty, and Snivy in ISO there's a lot going on between them.

As I said, DE's wagons of choice were RC and Kitty. I see that as he has a scum buddy wagon and a wagon on a townie that is being shaded by other townies.

DE and Snivy had a lot of interaction around how SNYBED was voting and why the other wasn't voting for what they were voting for etc.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Yeah that's probably because it never formed naturally as a block

Who do you think is scum in there?

I'm leaning towards Snivy and maybe Yessiree. NM is totally null btw.

However these are pretty weak reads (though honestly all my reads rn are weak).

Asking who I think is scum in SNYBED and then he shades Snivy and Yes.

There's a treasure trove of interaction around these 4.

As I said before RC and Kitty largely ignored each other which can be seen as pretty scummy. RC voted Kitty and parked his vote there forever. DE and Snivy shaded RC quite a bit about his parked vote on Kitty.

If I had to consensus TR one of the other 3 VTs, it'd be Aureal. She just has significantly less interaction then the other 2. If we vote off one of them and let NM shoot the other I don't see how we don't win.

[yessiree]

VOTE: kitty

Still rather want this

[Celebloki]

I can go along with Kitty. I'll continue to wait for Aureal to catch up and give her thoughts and continue to do my own percolating and reading.

UNVOTE:

[KittyTacky]

I'm town.

If I die shoot cCS.

[camelCasedSnivy]

if you die shoot me and vote celebloki ffs

[yessiree]

challenge: 4 people try to agree on one townie (impossible, gone wrong THE ENDING WILL SHOCK YOU! )

Aureal - 404 motivation not found
Kitty - I'm town, kill cSS
cCS - I'm town, kill celebloki
Celebloki - Playing the game he signed up for

[camelCasedSnivy]

cant believe kitty is targetting cascading style sheets while both me AND cascading style sheets want to kill celebloki

[Aureal]

challenge: 4 people try to agree on one townie (impossible, gone wrong THE ENDING WILL SHOCK YOU! )

4? What about you? You're kinda the crucial point here. And I think the only one not very sold on me being town?

Aureal - 404 motivation not found
Kitty - I'm town, kill cSS
cCS - I'm town, kill celebloki
Celebloki - Playing the game he signed up for

Does this pattern... not concern you? Maybe I'm confbiased because I had stronger reasons to townread the others, but I'm finding the way Celebloki has approached things thus far today to be pretty full of TMI.

FYI I have LOTS of motivation to not let RCE go 3/3 on winning by getting me yeeted in ELO. I've just been really busy and need time where I can sit down and read things uninterrupted and maybe even make notes. I'm getting to it.

Before I get in-depth on trying to read the game over, let me clarify some of where my head's been this game.

Obviously, you understand why I RVS voted RCE. (I dislike trying to towncase myself, particularly with guesses at what I'd do with a different role, but if I rolled mafia I'm probably not very likely to RVS vote a partner- I've still got the scars from riding LLD's wrath all of Star Trek uPick after RVS voting then unvoting scum she caught on day one. And I remember how awkward it felt to unvote Python while they were close to getting yeeted in F&I. It's just not something I'm gonna be keen to do.) I decided to keep my vote there for a long time for several reasons.
1) It was funny to glare at him constantly like that.
2) I do try to expand my meta-perimeters at times and riding wagons that go fast early has always been something that I tend to shy away from, so RCE seemed like a great test case to just sit on because hey, if he actually gets turbo-yeeted at least I don't have to be paranoid of him anymore!
3) I kinda scumread him a bit at first, like most of you, when he gave that townread on me, so he was as good a place as any to park my vote for a while. I did go back and read stuff again a bit later and found some sense in his reasoning though, and decided it was okay at least as an initial read. I was kind of expecting him to want more at some point though.

I did not do a good job keeping that line of thought in mind, although I did at least call out that one post that really did ping me hard as a manipulation attempt. But I couldn't quite find the angle it was trying to manipulate- it seemed to be assuming I was scumreading him and I wasn't really doing so by that point because I had done my re-read by then and I wasn't getting the same vibes from him as our previous games. So I don't think it landed

quite

the way it was intended- I detected that it was a manipulation- but since his position worked out to apparently considering scumreading me if I

hadn't

scumread him, it was harder to see the scum motivation. And then he posted that wall that confused me and I just kinda went "ugh I'll worry about this later I guess he can just be a townlean for now because the scum-vibes just aren't there like before". (I believe DE also commented on not understanding that post? Does that really seem like how a scumteam acts? Both teammates just go "huh, I don't understand this?" to a teammate's post?)

And I believe I already touched on why I just freaking ignored DE the whole time.

[yessiree]

4? What about you? You're kinda the crucial point here. And I think the only one not very sold on me being town?

are you forgetting that I called 2/3 scum team obvtown and tried to recruit the SK into my town bloc?
even I don't trust myself anymore

[yessiree]

now that you've mentioned you're the collective consensus tr, i went back to double checked, I guess it's true?

do you have any reads you wanna share?

I have a very tinfoily theory where it's cCS. Does setup talk earlier this day which any alignment can do, the weird mistake where Cele claimed but he didn't see it, the vote on me seems to have been very opportunistic.

There's scum in Cele and cCS and I think Cele has been more transparently townier.

VOTE: cCS

this implies kitty is TRing you

can you at least kill celebloki in 3p elo and vig kitty then

this also implies cCS is TRing you

If I had to consensus TR one of the other 3 VTs, it'd be Aureal. She just has significantly less interaction then the other 2. If we vote off one of them and let NM shoot the other I don't see how we don't win.

[Celebloki]

At this point I just hope it isn't Aureal. If it is her and we end up here tomorrow with the 3 of us, I don't know that I can make a case on her to convince you to vote her. I don't know her meta to analyze her play and just also didn't see much from her to really make a case. If I'm right, then one of Kitty or Snivy are also town and I guess I hoped one of them would actually also provide some nice town analysis for us, but so far no one besides me has actually tried to figure this out which is a little frustrating.

[yessiree]

At this point I just hope it isn't Aureal. If it is her and we end up here tomorrow with the 3 of us, I don't know that I can make a case on her to convince you to vote her. I don't know her meta to analyze her play and just also didn't see much from her to really make a case. If I'm right, then one of Kitty or Snivy are also town and I guess I hoped one of them would actually also provide some nice town analysis for us, but so far no one besides me has actually tried to figure this out which is a little frustrating.

weren't you pretty confident in Aureal being town just earlier?

[Celebloki]

She certainly appears that way to me. I'm just saying if she's fooled me and isn't town then I'm scared how the last day will go lol. I still think it's ol' Cascading Style Sheets.

[yessiree]

Well if she's fooled you she's fooled all of us, and we bite the bullet and accept the loss, after essentially losing a 75/25