though I can't see us mislynching twice. but if it is lilith, she's currently 3rd in that poe. so it gives me some outside chance hope that if it's her this isn't a lost cause even if we just speed lynch this to endgame
Alabaska, confirmed scum, was voting against Panther. Panther was off the main wagon and was on TTH, who was town. McMenno, town, was on Panther.
Lillith was first on Alabaska wagon, Xk was in the middle, and I hammered. I'm gonna have to go back and look at what pushed those votes, but I'm at work. Will do tonight.
I mean, Panther pointed out he was away for the entire weekend leading up to the lynch, so he physically wasn't present to move his vote to alabaska. If anything, Xk's vote is the most suspicious because I never moved my vote away from alabaska, and you didn't need to hammer if you were scumbuddies.
I pegged Alabaska right out of the gate of the game if you read the posts. lilith voted with me shortly therafter.
then I made a push on TTH that really didn't leave me feeling like it was where I was going to end up voting. then I was gone. if I had checked in when there was the slightest sniff of momentum against Alabaska I would have been ramming it down everyone's throats
being "off wagon" is a product of timing and if you can't apply context to that, you're bad or pushing an agenda
In post 882, lilith2013 wrote:I mean, Panther pointed out he was away for the entire weekend leading up to the lynch, so he physically wasn't present to move his vote to alabaska. If anything, Xk's vote is the most suspicious because I never moved my vote away from alabaska,
and you didn't need to hammer if you were scumbuddies
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I staunchly disagree with the emphasized. If the writing is on the wall and it doesn't look like there's a viable counterwagon, I hammer my buddy every single time
what are Alabaska's partners other options really other than to bus him when the game was stagnated and there was a move toward thread consensus to just lynch and move on. the fact that it was on alabaska warms my steely heart bc I like being right
along those same lines, xkf can put that L-2 vote when he sees the thread dead and likely going that way
bottom line I think we win this game with xkf > clumsy lynches but obviously with my vote where it stands I expect the game to end on xk lynch
In post 883, PantherPunt wrote:I pegged Alabaska right out of the gate of the game if you read the posts. lilith voted with me shortly therafter.
then I made a push on TTH that really didn't leave me feeling like it was where I was going to end up voting. then I was gone. if I had checked in when there was the slightest sniff of momentum against Alabaska I would have been ramming it down everyone's throats
being "off wagon" is a product of timing and if you can't apply context to that, you're bad or pushing an agenda
-_- Really?
In post 881, Clumsy wrote:
Alabaska, confirmed scum, was voting against Panther. Panther was off the main wagon and was on TTH, who was town. McMenno, town, was on Panther.
Lillith was first on Alabaska wagon, Xk was in the middle, and I hammered.
I'm gonna have to go back and look at what pushed those votes, but I'm at work. Will do tonight.
Lillith, thoughts on the above?
I was simply making an observation about where votes were at the time of that vote count. I said I hadn't looked at what exactly was going on at the time that those votes were cast. Why are you jumping on calling me bad or pushing an agenda when it was very clear that these were observations and that I hadn't gone back yet? It seems overly defensive and jumpy to me.
Also, I have definitely seen scum immediately push on their partners right out of the gate. In fact, I could very much see it as early pushing for distance, then looking for another wagon to hop to. If one of you flipped scum, the other could point at that and use it as a defense. Objectively, could you see that happen too?
if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.
and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.
this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.
so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.
when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion
In post 886, PantherPunt wrote:if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.
and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.
this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.
so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.
when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion
Panther, please direct me to where in post 881 I say that it's a scum point. If you can't, then this article may be relevant.
In post 881 I posted a string of facts without any indication as to whether I thought it was scummy for it to be that way or not and asked another player their thoughts on that string of facts. You were not the only one I mentioned in that post. I think the only thing you could argue had any kind of alignment pushing to it is me saying that I was the one who hammered, but that's not what you were drawn to. You're immediately assuming that I'm pushing an agenda because I'm raising scum points against you that you don't agree with, when
I also inferred your post to mean that you thought it was scummy for Alabaska to be voting Panther who was off the wagon and voting TTH and also being voted by Mcmenno who was killed that same night. All of those things being about panther imply that he's your main point of consideration in that post. So...
Part of me is feeling extremely lazy.
I kind of think it might just be Xkyfu or Lilith. I have been feeling townie on Panther so far on this day (though the openning I did feel he was the worst out of everyone).
VOTE: Xkyfu
Lets do it.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 886, PantherPunt wrote:if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.
and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.
this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.
so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.
when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion
Panther, please direct me to where in post 881 I say that it's a scum point. If you can't, then this article may be relevant.
In post 881 I posted a string of facts without any indication as to whether I thought it was scummy for it to be that way or not and asked another player their thoughts on that string of facts. You were not the only one I mentioned in that post. I think the only thing you could argue had any kind of alignment pushing to it is me saying that I was the one who hammered, but that's not what you were drawn to. You're immediately assuming that I'm pushing an agenda because I'm raising scum points against you that you don't agree with, when
I said nothing about it being scum indicative.
1) I'm aware you didn't EXPLICITLY award me a scum point in that post
2) I acknowledged that the point of that post may be NOTHING AT ALL and rather serve as a vehicle for you to ORGANIZE YOUR THOUGHTS
3) SUBTEXT IS A THING and when you read that post, the subtext is there that you are calling me into question for a variety of points
So what do you actually think? You appear to be now clarifying that you were only providing a recap of what happened, seemingly to better organize it in your mind so that you could analyze it later. Did you do that? What have you got for us?
Well I was going to, but I got called back into work. I also work all day today too. >_<
I suppose if Lillith also took that as how you took it, then my point is moot. I thought it was an interesting reaction, but it would seems it was tainted. Which is annoying.
Right now I think Panther and Xk hanging wins the game. So I'm willing to put my vote on XK. I think he's at l-1 though. Xk, I have intent. Claim?
In post 891, Clumsy wrote:Well I was going to, but I got called back into work. I also work all day today too. >_<
I suppose if Lillith also took that as how you took it, then my point is moot. I thought it was an interesting reaction, but it would seems it was tainted. Which is annoying.
Right now I think Panther and Xk hanging wins the game. So I'm willing to put my vote on XK. I think he's at l-1 though. Xk, I have intent. Claim?
Didn't leave your check clearly here if you were to survive the day and be killed at night.
When I read this again idk why you say surely to either of them at the time
Why surely Lilith
Why surely FA
Because of their placement on the wagon. Lilith never moved off Alabaska, and FA was the one mostly responsible for the lynch.
And why would you check the person you deemed to have been mostly responsible for the scum lynch?
