Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Walk me through Maru and Roshar being so low?

[Ranger]

They're townreads, but I'm not strongly feeling them as town. It's mostly that whatever it is you saw that made them strongly town, isn't making me see them as strongly town. I see town, I just don't see "absolutely-never-touch-these-people"-tiered town from them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okayyyy fine.

*pouts*

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 34

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5 Minsc and Boo (Fire Assassin, Iecerint, Roshar, Ircher, Ranger)
2 Fire Assassin (Aristophanes, Not_Mafia)
2 RadiantCowbells (Minsc and Boo, Xkfyu)
1 Ircher (Maruchan)
1 Xkfyu (androgybee)

2 Unvote (Gorkington, RadiantCowbells)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-20 09:00:00), or on Wednesday, April 20th at 9:00 am EDT.

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[Minsc and Boo]

Prod dodge due to taxes and illness. Haven't been able to speak with Radja. Haven't read.

VT.

I know we aren't at L minus 1, but circumstances are as they are.

[Maruchan]

(I'm still only at 764 when saying this, but I've realzied now all my earlier argument about gork was all null and that he's just an annoying person. I don't see anything particularly townie in his play other than activity which from personal experience is null, but he's not scummy anymore. jus wanted to put that out there. Ircher can still die in a fire.)

I don't think that I'm goign to fully catch up at the time because my reads aren't really changing atm.



I'm down for a lynch on Minsc / FA / XK.

I would *settle* for an FA. But we need to lynch Ircher. Minsc I really should go ISO at some point this weekend. I really can't remember the slot well at all.

Outta nowhere!

VOTE: Minsc and boo

How is this not scummy as all hell? He literally has not said a signle word about minsc and boo all game. Even if he realzied it wasn't ACTUALLY L-1, this screems scumploy trying to pretend to be a town-gambit.

If someone builds me a solid case on Minsc, I would definitely consider supporting the wagon. Ircher isn't going to die today because Ranger refueses, and RC is my only co-conspirator to possibly lynching him. I'd support FA Lynch as i find the slot null-slightly scummy, and he wants out due to personal reasosns, and i can't stand his playstyle. more policy with slightly better chances of hittign scum than town though.

[Not_Mafia]

I fakehammer at all opportunities

[Gorkington]

and that he's just an annoying person.

youre a ray of sunshine yourself ;D

[RadiantCowbells]

Ugh.
I don't like Maru's last post.
It feels a lot like a scumbuddy with Minsc post.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ranger probably being right again.

[Gorkington]

i think not mafia is staying in my townbin.
i kind of want to put ranger in the townbin as well but im not totally comfortable with it yet.
if she is town im pretty sure her reads are on the money.

i dont really see scum-iece. would need to be hit in the face about that to change my mind.

[Gorkington]

Prod dodge due to taxes and illness. Haven't been able to speak with Radja. Haven't read.

even if you do end up being scum, this is kind of a bummer.
i dont like the idea of potentially being right about someone because of shitty circumstances.
hope you feel better/get through taxstuff soon.

[Gorkington]

we've got four days.
ranger can you talk at me about iece?

also on the more paranoid side of things, if ranger is somehow scum, then my gut says that these interactions around fire could mean scummates there, but thats super duper ridiculous paranoia talking :s

[Gorkington]

also if ircher could give some coherent straightforward thoughts on the game as it stands and not just "i am sheeping x-person" i would love them dearly because i havent been able to follow anything theyve been doing for a while and its confusing me in spite of things that made me think theyre town.

[Gorkington]

oh also, ari and nahdia/beeboy hydra need to get in this thread.
or im gonna grill their cheese so hard on d2.

[Ircher]

I have given a few throughout my iso. I did notably forget to do an ISO on Misc, so Ill prob. do that later.

[Gorkington]

if you could do like quick summary of your three strongest reads at this very second thatd be ideal.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want a grilled cheese.

make me one.

[Ircher]

@Gork

That, I cant really do. Most of my reads currently stand around neutral/null territory.

[Gorkington]

@Gork

That, I cant really do. Most of my reads currently stand around neutral/null territory.

you need to change that.

[Ircher]

(I'm still only at 764 when saying this, but I've realzied now all my earlier argument about gork was all null and that he's just an annoying person. I don't see anything particularly townie in his play other than activity which from personal experience is null, but he's not scummy anymore. jus wanted to put that out there. Ircher can still die in a fire.)

So, you conclude that Gork is simply annoying and you therefore have a null read on him now, yet I can "still die in a fire"? I would like a more substandial reason as to why you think I am scum. In addition, if this is a Policy-Lynch issue that you are trying to push my lynch for, you should seriously reconsider.

I don't think that I'm goign to fully catch up at the time because my reads aren't really changing atm.

I'm down for a lynch on Minsc / FA / XK.

I would *settle* for an FA. But we need to lynch Ircher. Minsc I really should go ISO at some point this weekend. I really can't remember the slot well at all.

Again, please elaborate on your read of me. Do you find me annoying? Active Lurking? Fluff? What? Do a better job of supporting your reads, as you have been tunneling me all day without stating why you find me scummy.

Outta nowhere!

VOTE: Minsc and boo

How is this not scummy as all hell? He literally has not said a signle word about minsc and boo all game. Even if he realzied it wasn't ACTUALLY L-1, this screems scumploy trying to pretend to be a town-gambit.

"One-Size-Does-Not-Fit-All".
Town can fakehammer too. At worst, it's scum indicative. Most likely, it is null. Furthermore, I did mention it when it happened, so.... no.

If someone builds me a solid case on Minsc, I would definitely consider supporting the wagon. Ircher isn't going to die today because Ranger refueses, and RC is my only co-conspirator to possibly lynching him. I'd support FA Lynch as i find the slot null-slightly scummy, and he wants out due to personal reasosns, and i can't stand his playstyle. more policy with slightly better chances of hittign scum than town though.

RC would PL me, but he doesn't really scumread me right now. Your chances of lynching me are zero, unless you elaborate and give good reasons why I am scum. On the other hand, it is

quite clear

to me that you aren't really scumhunting; in fact, you are simply looking for good people to try to policy-lynch.

Evidence:

- Tunnel on me. Only stated why once, and never supported his reasoning with actual evidence. The "scumminess" he finds in me seems to stem more from a PL standpoint rather than me actually being scum.
- Was scumreading Gork earlier. Now that the Gork wagon has no traction, states it was merely a playstyle thing and therefore null.
- Would support a Fire lynch for PL reasons. Says it is nullish-scummy reasons, yet never states why.

Perhaps I'm OMGUSING you to an extent here, but your actions do not indicate a townie motive from my viewpoint.

[Ircher]

Literally nobody has made any positive or negative comments on the mini-case i built on ircher. wtf. Did nobody else think he was scummy for that bullshit and/or have good reason to dispute why it makes him scummy to convince me of his townieness?

Not particularly. I'm not wanting to encourage TvT (and that's what I think it is). I'm also not wanting scum to think you're a viable mislynch to push. So ignoring you is best, as much as I'm not a fan of that.

Why is Maruchan a townread? While to some extent, TvT is bad for town in the short run, it is also useful for town in the long run. If one can determine with a high amount of confidence that a fight is TvT, then we can eliminate those players from our lynch canidates. And, PoE is probably town's most powerful weapon, so your continual short, minimal-effort or off-topic (RVS) posts are not helping town in the slightest. Instead, you are simply trying to avoid any fughts with town. Why? Fear of being caught as scum? Fear of making town angry? I definitely know that town Titus isn't afraid to out his opinion, so why are you avoiding interaction? I cannot say for sure at this point, but this post does not read town to me.

[Aristophanes]

oh also, ari and nahdia/beeboy hydra need to get in this thread.
or im gonna grill their cheese so hard on d2.

I N love grilled cheese!!

[Ircher]

Ok, I can support the Minsc lynch right now. Primarily for the following reasons:

1) Very vague on where their reads stand and why
2) Lots of off-topic/RVS/prod-dodging content. (I'd estimate about 75% of the ISO with +/-5% margin of error)
3) Along with #2, very little scumhunting going on. Even worse is the fact there two of them and yet neither of them really seem to be trying to determine who is who.
4) The way some of the posts were worded... While it certainly could be (and prob. should be interpreted as) jokes, they have a vibe that doesn't suggest a mere phrasing anomaly.... They feel more like scumslips being dropped intentionally (Under the presumption that town would simply dismiss them as miswording of stipuff).

[Ircher]

Maybe later, I'm happy with wagoning smudger right now

Why? Sure, Smudger didn't contribute much, but did you have any particular reason besides inactivity (esp. considering it was the RVS wagon)?

[Ircher]

Okay I'm ready now

VOTE: Fire Assassin

Disappointed that smudger got to lurk off his wagon but feeling increasingly better about FA lynch

Opportunistic timing? I'm seeing a lot of off/on wagons without any reason being given whatsoever.

I've done it a few times this game (once or twice?), but most of the time, I had some reason, whether right or wrong, that expressed my current views.

I'm seeing the exact opposite here: everyone just votes, etc when they feel like it and never explain why or if they do, give extremely shallow and vague reasons why.