Mini 1644: DOUBLE TROUBLE (Day 5) - IS THE GAME OVER YET?!?

[shos]

Night 4 has ended early, using one of the rules on the first post.
Kaboose, the

TOWN

Neighbourizer,

has been killed.

It is now Day 5.
There are 4 people alive. 3 votes are needed for a lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-04-08 00:39:11).

[Das Boot]

So uh, no reason to hide it, I'm in the hood now. Currently reading, first few posts give an impression for cursive town

[Das Boot]

btw there are much fewer hood posts than I expected. hoodies - go there - read what I wrote

[Das Boot]

There's like almost literally nothing in there, despite there being EIGHT PHASES in this game with people in it

*sigh*
I think inaufta is town just because she isn't there

[Das Boot]

update.

TABLE OF CLAIMS & FLIPS:

Flipped:
Vertigo	Flipped TOWN ??? , claimed cop	Lynched D1
MarshawnLynch24	TOWN Vanilla Townie	Killed N1
TheLight	TOWN Roleblocker	Killed N1
Kagamine	TOWN Backup Cop	Lynched D2	Claimed to have been roleblocked N1
Fault	TOWN Tracker	Killed N2
Whomping Willow	TOWN Watcher	Killed N2
ETL	TOWN Rolestopper	Lynched D3 Results: N1 INAUFTA, N2 Crabalocker.	Unconventional, also docs
Crabalocker	TOWN Doctor	Lynched D4 Results: Protected Das Boot N1, Protected self N2	Was able to protect self but not twice in a row.
Kaboose	TOWN Neighbourizer	Killed N4 Results: Neighbourized Cursive N1, Aneninen N2, Forgot to use N3, Das Boot N4.
Unflipped:
Das Boot	JoaT: 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher, 1x SK Cop	Results: N1 watched self, only Crabalocker; N2: Tracked Cursive to Fault; N3: SK-copped INAUFTA, result - not SK.
INAUFTA	Bulletproof
Aneninen	Voyeur	Results: N1 - Nobody targetted Whomping Willow, N2 - Nobody targetted ETL, N3 - Nobody targetted Crabalocker.
Cursive	Vigilante	Results: Killed TheLight N1, killed Fault N2, shot INAUFTA N3.

missing actions:
1. Did Crab not claim his N3 action at all.?
2. anen N4
3. cursive N4

[Das Boot]

what the FUCK
no kill instead of two kills - inaufta is 1 and crab protected the other one!!! we could have conftowned him AND his target!! THIS WAS GAME WON - 2 conftowns and a vig?

but that also means then that inaufta soaked another kill tonight? why would that happen?
cursive is Kaboose your kill?

[Das Boot]

I'm pretty sure by now that vertigo was scum
and that the SK-cop ability was a red herring, like the backup cop

I think cursive is town and inaufta is practically conftown(?) unless scum can be multi-BP?

[Aneninen]

I'd really like to see Cursive's action before I tell mine.

[Cursive]

I shot Inaufta

Inaufta lied about being 1-shot bp

vote: INAUFTA

[Aneninen]

And you've just lied.
I Voyeur-ed Inaufta. NO ACTIONS were performed on him.

[Aneninen]

Before we vote, we must consider something.

Cursive is lying. Therefore, he's not a Vig. So, there may be a Mafia and an SK. Or two SKs or something like that. Even the name of the game suggests TWO scum factions.

If so, we should make the math next. And examine every Night action whether they make sense.
I hope there's at least one more townie out there because if it's only me, I'm technically f-cked.

I need to sleep but I have to think about it. Maybe if INAUFTA is another townie we still may win somehow?

[Aneninen]

Wait... I can't be the only town! if I were the only town, the game would be over!

Let me think, other townie, let me think! Do not vote anyone! I need to sleep now but maybe I'll figure out something!

[Cursive]

hmm

unvote

I'm definitely not lying....

Are u scum? lying about voyeur? going for a win?

[Cursive]

ehhhhhh I'm not sure if aneninen's lying here

cuz dat wuld mean both him and Inaufta are lying and dat wuld be impossible cuz 2 scum left would be auto win

um so aneninen telling truth means I've been roleblocked of some sort?

If I got dat logic rite?

which means inaufta is not autoscum for not dying

[Das Boot]

Im smelling a 1v1?
While it is possible that Cursive would be blocked if a roleblocker exists, we already have a RB dead, and no other evidence of anyone being blocked..

[INAUFTA]

what the FUCK
no kill instead of two kills - inaufta is 1 and crab protected the other one!!! we could have conftowned him AND his target!! THIS WAS GAME WON - 2 conftowns and a vig?

but that also means then that inaufta soaked another kill tonight? why would that happen?
cursive is Kaboose your kill?

Except that it wasn't conftown.

[INAUFTA]

update.

TABLE OF CLAIMS & FLIPS:

Flipped:
Vertigo	Flipped TOWN ??? , claimed cop	Lynched D1
MarshawnLynch24	TOWN Vanilla Townie	Killed N1
TheLight	TOWN Roleblocker	Killed N1
Kagamine	TOWN Backup Cop	Lynched D2	Claimed to have been roleblocked N1
Fault	TOWN Tracker	Killed N2
Whomping Willow	TOWN Watcher	Killed N2
ETL	TOWN Rolestopper	Lynched D3 Results: N1 INAUFTA, N2 Crabalocker.	Unconventional, also docs
Crabalocker	TOWN Doctor	Lynched D4 Results: Protected Das Boot N1, Protected self N2	Was able to protect self but not twice in a row.
Kaboose	TOWN Neighbourizer	Killed N4 Results: Neighbourized Cursive N1, Aneninen N2, Forgot to use N3, Das Boot N4.
Unflipped:
Das Boot	JoaT: 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher, 1x SK Cop	Results: N1 watched self, only Crabalocker; N2: Tracked Cursive to Fault; N3: SK-copped INAUFTA, result - not SK.
INAUFTA	Bulletproof
Aneninen	Voyeur	Results: N1 - Nobody targetted Whomping Willow, N2 - Nobody targetted ETL, N3 - Nobody targetted Crabalocker.
Cursive	Vigilante	Results: Killed TheLight N1, killed Fault N2, shot INAUFTA N3.

missing actions:
1. Did Crab not claim his N3 action at all.?
2. anen N4
3. cursive N4

Crab claimed it was Kaboose, which is why I ended up voting him, he's done no reference to that slot previously. I would have asked for reasons back then, but he was already going through his flake so I thought he was caught.

[INAUFTA]

My new thought process about this game is either we actually need to put shos past lynch point, or that the game's title means that people can still action beyond the grave.

shos lynch would make everything make sense for how the game is still going on

dead people doing stuff would explain cursive's lack of killing me.

[Aneninen]

From Friday I have more time and I'll be able to catch up with this game.

[Das Boot]

what the FUCK
no kill instead of two kills - inaufta is 1 and crab protected the other one!!! we could have conftowned him AND his target!! THIS WAS GAME WON - 2 conftowns and a vig?

but that also means then that inaufta soaked another kill tonight? why would that happen?
cursive is Kaboose your kill?

Except that it wasn't conftown.

Yeah you're probably right :/ I was just all hyp

updating:

TABLE OF CLAIMS & FLIPS:

Flipped:
Vertigo	Flipped TOWN ??? , claimed cop	Lynched D1
MarshawnLynch24	TOWN Vanilla Townie	Killed N1
TheLight	TOWN Roleblocker	Killed N1
Kagamine	TOWN Backup Cop	Lynched D2	Claimed to have been roleblocked N1
Fault	TOWN Tracker	Killed N2
Whomping Willow	TOWN Watcher	Killed N2
ETL	TOWN Rolestopper	Lynched D3 Results: N1 INAUFTA, N2 Crabalocker.	Unconventional, also docs
Crabalocker	TOWN Doctor	Lynched D4 Results: Protected Das Boot N1, Protected self N2, Protected Kaboose N3.	Was able to protect self but not twice in a row.
Kaboose	TOWN Neighbourizer	Killed N4 Results: Neighbourized Cursive N1, Aneninen N2, Forgot to use N3, Das Boot N4.
Unflipped:
Das Boot	JoaT: 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher, 1x SK Cop	Results: N1 watched self, only Crabalocker; N2: Tracked Cursive to Fault; N3: SK-copped INAUFTA, result - not SK.
INAUFTA	1-shot Bulletproof	Said if two kills are at the same time he dies.
Aneninen	Voyeur	Results: N1 - Nobody targetted Whomping Willow, N2 - Nobody targetted ETL, N3 - Nobody targetted Crabalocker, N4 - Nobody targetted INAUFTA.	Note: N4 contradicts with Cursive
Cursive	Vigilante	Results: Killed TheLight N1, killed Fault N2, shot INAUFTA N3, shot INAUFTA N4.	Note: N4 contradicts with Anen.

My new thought process about this game is either we actually need to put shos past lynch point, or that the game's title means that people can still action beyond the grave.

shos lynch would make everything make sense for how the game is still going on

dead people doing stuff would explain cursive's lack of killing me.

We can do that quickly but I doubt that will accomplish anything. I'm firmly holding to the thought that Vertigo was in fact scum death miller.

[Cursive]

fuk it

im getting town vibes on all 3 of u

somethin seriously wrong wit my compass this game

(wish i culd just lynch then vig whoever and take a 2/3rd gamble at who is scum, but nooo someone is gettin in the way wit my kill)

at least either way this shuld be the last day

vote: shos

So here I was, not-reading and whatnot(or whatyes) and I suddenly see a vote on me and was like WHAT

then I remembered I'm the mod.

That's not going to work, lads.
~shos

[INAUFTA]

VOTE: shos

scum tell us that type of thing about not working!

otherwise I'm probably just going to either go for no lynch because I don't understand this game.

[Aneninen]

So.

Cursive is scum. Period.
But.
Someone shoot Kaboose, so there is another scum.
Therefore, Lynching Cursive is not essentially a good move because in that case the other scum could win.

I'm town. Period.
But.
Even if anyone thinks that I'm scum, lynching me could lead to an instant lose for the town. (If I were scum and I got lynched, there would be no other Nightkill. Cursive could shoot Das Boot and would won automatically... unless INAUFTA is Unlimited Bulletproof.)

Both Das Boot and INAUFTA can't be scum, neither with each other nor with Cusrive. If it were so, there would be no Day5 at all, they would have won the game after Night4.

Here are the possibilities.

(1) Das Boot is scum. INAUFTA is Unlimited Bulletproof. (This is possible only if Das boot shot Kaboose at Night3.)
In this case, we should lynch either Cursive or Das Boot so as to prevent INAUFTA getting shot twice at Night.
The remaining scum kills me (that's obvious) and the game is over with a draw.
Best lynch:

Cursive or Das Boot

Best result:

Draw

(2) Das Boot is scum. INAUFTA is X-shot Bulletproof.
This is very different because ending up in a 1:1 is a scum win. Therefore, we must not lynch scum Today: the remaining scum would kill me, and sooner or later kill INAUFTA too.
Lynching INAUFTA would lead to a Dilemma. (There would be a scum-scum draw if both scums killed me; if one of them kills the other one, wins; if it's a cross-kill, town wins.)
Lynching Aneninen would lead to the same Dilemma.
No Lynch would lead to a complicated situation. If I got killed, it'd be a scum-scum draw most probably (they could lynch INAUFTA next Day). If both scums target INAUFTA, it's the same. BUT. They'd never try to kill INAUFTA! (If one scum kills the other one, who tries to kill INAUFTA, the other scum gets lynched next Day. If the other one tries to kill me, the first scum wins. So, it's again a Dilemma.)
Best lynch:

INAUFTA or Aneninen

(or No Lynch and I skimmed over something?)
Best result:

Dilemma

(Could be town win but scum win too, or players could agree in a Draw.)

(3) INAUFTA is scum and Unlimited Bulletproof.
In that case the only way to get rid of him is to lynch him right now... but in that case Cursive wins.
If we lynched Cursive, INAUFTA wins.
If we lynched Das Boot or Aneninen, INAUFTA wins, because Cursive can't kill him.
If we went for No Lynch, it'd be complicated, but most likely INAUFTA wins.
Best lynch:

basicly, no such thing

Best result:

in practice, none

. Das Boot and me are kingmakers at best.

(4) INAUFTA is scum and X-Shot Bulletproof.
If he still has at least one shot, it's basicly the same as (3).
If he has no shot left, this case is different.
If we lynch either scum, the other one wins.
If we lynch Das Boot or Aneninen, it's a Dilemma, see (2).
If we No Lynch, it's a Dilemma again. (If one of them kills Das Boot, the other one kills Aneninen, it's a scum-scum draw. If one of them kills the other one, wins. In case of cross-kill, it's a town win. If they kill the same townie, it's either a scum-scum Draw by lynching the other townie, or the same Dilemma.)
Best lynch:

Das Boot or Aneninen or No Lynch

Best result:

Dilemma

________

(2) and (4) are more or less the same,

regardless of INAUFTA's alignment

.
So,

INAUFTA! Are you Unlimited or X-Shot?

Because, if you're X-Shot, we can do two things.
Either we vote for Universal Draw, or we play the Dilemma. In the latter case we should lynch me, because that's a safe lynch in both cases.

If you're Unlimited and you're town, I'd go for a Draw, because I'd refuse to decide which scum were to Draw with.
If you're Unlimited and you're scum, we're most probably f-cked.

And of course, there would be other possibilities if someone lied but I'm ignoring those.

VOTE: Draw Between All Living Factions

– because, unless it's (3) that would give a fair end to this game.
(...and that vote is worth pigeon poop if there's at least a single player who disagrees, so I don't f-ck up the game by voting this.)

[Cursive]

Cursive is scum. Period.

No way No how

use ur head

Wat does me lying accomplish? If I was scum y wuld I lie instead of being honest? All I have to do is say who I shot and don't have to worry about voyaya "catching me in a lie"?

VOTE: Draw Between All Living Factions

If u think there is two scum left correct play is to no lynch and hope for crosskills

vote shos first to test Please And ThankYou

[Aneninen]

Unless I'm unaware of a rule about voting for the Mod, that pigeon poop is worth nothing.
In other words: what the scarecrow are you testing by that?!