Mini 1443: Pokemon Nuzlocke Mafia: Abandoned

[JasonWazza]

Because the Meta that i was thinking there was on him was nothing?

[Wisdom]

But the reason you voted him (and even called your vote "obv") was that post. Nothing to do with meta.

[JasonWazza]

Also i'm not gonna make a case right now, maybe tomorrow.

But the reason you voted him (and even called your vote "obv") was that post. Nothing to do with meta.

No the meta was in the back of my mind, that had made him obv scum in my mind cause it was survivalistic as fuck.

Without my mind having the meta case to back that up and him being obviously different from the meta makes him closer to null.

[Wisdom]

You saw a post that you considered survivalistic.
You thought obv scum and voted.
You then bring an

extra

point why he's scum (meta).
That point is proven null.
Your read on him falls to null.

It doesn't make sense. The initial reason for your vote was the post he made. In this game. Not anything meta related.

[JasonWazza]

Do you think i would vote someone based on just

1

Post on day 2?

I had the meta read already and just didn't bring it up.

[Wisdom]

If you had the meta read you would have checked it and realized that it doesn't apply.
You're currently lying.
VOTE: Jason

[JasonWazza]

No i wouldn't, i would think i remember correctly and go with it.

[kuror0]

If it's not something town would do, he's scum, right? I think it's a fair question why you are hesitant to vote/call him scum.

I'm hesitant because I'm not sure yet if he is scum. Also I can't just be convinced someone is scum for 1 scummy action.

Kuro, you also never answered my questions about Mhork yesterday. How come you dropped Mhork after his bad response to your case?

The truth is his overall post looked decent to me but more important I got distracted by Fuzzy and some of his posts at the time. I think I said it somewhere that is not that I dropped my case on him but rather got more focus on fuzzy. And when you pointed out his bad response there, I re checked and went back to vote him.

[Minimal]

awgsfdf sd

Hold the fuck on guys, Jesus. Second time I had to ask


Serra: Yes, Mhorks flip did surprise me and it specifically shook my read on Desperado a little bit. I talked to Mezzi about it a bit during the night phase about it and talked about the plausibility of him being a partner with Mhork and found it to be fairly unlikely. We talked about multi-ball a little bit last night as well.

Mezzi had a read on Jason, and I told him that we could go after him as I try to wrap my head around Desp. Pim's reason on Jason kinda mirror's the reason Messiah gave, with a little bit more to it so he looks more town to me.


Jason, I think Fuzzy is derp town.

I still need to do that re-read

[JasonWazza]

Messiah do you ever actually read me as town?

[Minimal]

I have one completed game with you and I actually read you as town there, so.. yes? It's unfortunate that Catlord made your slot so terrible and that was the compromise that Marangal and I ended up coming to in the end, but whatever. Your town flip in Popcorn makes me want you dead even more in here, so at least there's that.

[fuzzybutternut]

Jason, if you aren't scum, why are you so scummy?

[JasonWazza]

Jason, if you aren't scum, why are you so scummy?

Dumb question, when i am town i don't care about looking scummy, cause it's better to find scummy then worry about scumminess

I have one completed game with you and I actually read you as town there, so.. yes? It's unfortunate that Catlord made your slot so terrible and that was the compromise that Marangal and I ended up coming to in the end, but whatever. Your town flip in Popcorn makes me want you dead even more in here, so at least there's that.

You read me town, and shot me, SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU MUST HAVE THOUGHT I'D FLIP SCUM

[PimHel]

You saw a post that you considered survivalistic.
You thought obv scum and voted.
You then bring an

extra

point why he's scum (meta).
That point is proven null.
Your read on him falls to null.

It doesn't make sense. The initial reason for your vote was the post he made. In this game. Not anything meta related.

I agree with this post.
Especially as the first posts from Jason about Sala today doesn't add up with what he's been saying now.

[Syryana]

Back from V/LA. Catching up.

[Syryana]

Ugh...

can we slow down on the lynch guys? I won't be here until Tuesday and I need to do a comprehensive review of the thread. Mhorks flip shook a few of my reads and the no NK is strange.

I'd say the No-Kill makes sense, given the game mechanics. Scum would have to wipe out all of someone's Pokemon to get a kill.

Did the Mhork flip surprise you, Mini?

You guys reading the game rules or what? GNR clearly states there is no NK; kills are achieved by wiping out Pokemon teams. The advantage the mafia gets is they can attack the same person multiple times. Normal trainers can't. Since we just knocked out one of the Rocket peeps, it's hardly surprising they couldn't get a kill.

Jason is a very likely partner too btw.
He tried hard to get people to vote for Mhork's counterwagon (fuzzy); here's an example:

Wow fuzzy, you are scummy as fuck, hey Mhork wagon, this is a much better wagon

And on top of that, he never commented on any of the Mhork cases, despite asking for someone to link them to him.

You said you are not getting the Mhork wagon.
You asked for links to the cases against Mhork.
You got them.
Someone pointed out that you did not comment on any of them.
You said you forgot.
You never did it anyway.

Meanwhile, you kept voting the counterwagon and encouraging the people voting Mhork to join you there.

Does that make you scum? (Yes, very possibly.)

This is an excellent set of points about Jason.

Wisdom - Probably Town
fuzzybutternut - Still a scum fuck
PimHel - Probably Town
guille2015 - Wait what? Where the fuck is this guy?
Desperado - I want to call him scum for early game play, But i'm not entirely sure his later game play makes me feel he could be town, Nullish would be where i would put him.

Syryana - I hate you, but your probably Town

Minimal - Probably Town
Squidward - Didn't realize he was playing either. Where are you?
serrapaladin - Probably Town
Salamence20 - Null
kuror0 - Possibly Town

I would like to point out two things here. First, I had to laugh about the bolded. Why you hate me so much, Jay? Second, that list reeks. Why do you think I'm town? You never indicated that you thought I was town (well there was one point about my shit playstyle, but that's not a town tell, and this assumes you even know what my playstyle is) Heck, why do you think half the people on that list are town? Last I checked, you thought Kuror/ETL was scummy as fuck (#306), Wisdom was scummy thanks to his soft defense of fuzzy (#454). Now both are town or possibly town? I don't even see you talking about your other so called town reads. The read on Wisdom in particular stinks of "halp, don't go after me Wisdom, halp". Also, based on your play yesterday, you wouldn't have voted Salamence right off the bat, not after all that "scummy as fuck" stuff fuzzy did.

You saw a post that you considered survivalistic.
You thought obv scum and voted.
You then bring an

extra

point why he's scum (meta).
That point is proven null.
Your read on him falls to null.

It doesn't make sense. The initial reason for your vote was the post he made. In this game. Not anything meta related.

This too.

VOTE: JasonWazza

[Desperado]

Vote: JasonWazza

On top of all of the points put forward by Wisdom, here's a fun thing:

ISO Mhork, ctrl+f "Jason" Despite several enormous, gamewide catch up posts, here is every time Mhork mentions Jason:

"This feels kinda needlessly aggressive in its defense of an objectively poor start for a player slot. Why so angsty, Jason?"
"Jason, why you flip out so hard? You should go and jerk off or something. It helps.

But seriously, why are you taking this hydra thing so badly?"
"I really don't like Jason flipping out. Can anyone vouch for meta here? "
(In response to Jason's fuzzy vote) "Elaborate, por favor."
(After Jason asks Mhork if he's played with Sala) "Hell if I know... I play with a lot of people. If I have, I do not remember it."

That's it. 35 pages of d1 and despite extensive interactions with me, Wisdom, Serra, and a bunch of other players, basically the only thing he said to Jason was to shut the fuck up about the hydra thing and move on.

I think Jason is pretty much a slam dunk.

[Wisdom]

Squidward and guille have still not posted a thing on D2. Guess they should be replaced.

[serrapaladin]

So we're lynching Jason, huh?

[Wisdom]

You disagree?

[serrapaladin]

The advantage the mafia gets is they can attack the same person multiple times. Normal trainers can't.

What?

[Wisdom]

Read post 2, serra.

[serrapaladin]

You disagree?

Not necessarily, I just hadn't taken a look yet about why people were voting him.

Syr and you make decent points. Not sure about Desp's, as Jason didn't really post anything interesting yesterday, and Mhork also basically ignored Guille and Squid.

Re post 2: Thanks, I didn't get that scum can all target the same person, but that definitely makes sense.

Once we have our Pokemon stats, how would you feel about claiming attacks?

[Wisdom]

I don't know, wouldn't that help scum?

[Desperado]

Syr and you make decent points. Not sure about Desp's, as Jason didn't really post anything interesting yesterday, and Mhork also basically ignored Guille and Squid.

...huh?

It doesn't really matter if Jason "didn't really post anything interesting" (which is debatable). Mhork's playstyle necessitated that he comment on basically every slot in the game. He had heavy interaction with a majority of the playerbase. Mhork ignoring Guille and Squid implicates them as well; they just aren't as good as a vote because of the other things pointing to Jasonscum. My point wasn't meant to be the #1 piece of evidence, but more of a peripheral piece that reinforces the read.