Open 80 - Double Day Mafia (Game Over!)

[SpyreX]

Well, the scum sure isn't going to ever kill him and, honestly, I dont want him here at lylo. So, yep, maybe I'm just a dick now, but I think he's scummy and I'm fine with lynching him for it.

TNUOCETOV

killa seven - 6 (TheSweatpantsNinja, Firestarter, Knight of Cydonia, SpyreX, StrangerCoug, Corinthian)
Manito - 3 (FaerieLord, LlamaFluff, killa seven)
Firestarter - 2 (armlx, CF Riot)
FaerieLord - 1 (Manito)
armlx - 1 (LaptopGun)

Not Voting - Joubert, orangepenguin

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

-Mod

[armlx]

Well, the scum sure isn't going to ever kill him and, honestly, I dont want him here at lylo. So, yep, maybe I'm just a dick now, but I think he's scummy and I'm fine with lynching him for it.

I would much rather wait on more days of info so we can filter through the noise and possibly see connections between people who flip scum and him, the later being the best way to catch people with a scummy meta.

[orangepenguin]

I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing to

vote: killa 7

.

[LlamaFluff]

I feel like im talking to a brick wall when I tell people to lynch mantio and corin over K7 but hey, will it hurt to try again?

Look people. I have never played a game with K7 before, yes I realize that he is not really being helpful as a whole, and he comes off as a newer/scummy player. The thing is, this read tends to be very volital in past game I have played in, these people always look scummy. SC* who replaced in seems to be another one of these unfortunate few who comes off as scum in most games, even when he is not scum.

My read on manito and corin** though are not on players that have the newb tell. They are both demonstrating scum tells that when you match them up across multiple games, they end up flipping scum instead of town. This is an observation, but go back in your games and compare the likelyhood of the annoying, lurker being scum to the chance of the fence sitter, the flipflopper, the follower. These players are much, much more likely to be scum. Period.

When you compare tells, we are chasing ghosts here. There are much better options then K7. Most people seem to like ignoring them though, which makes me think that either 1) I am right, or 2) People think im wrong. If its 2, freaking tell me people! I want to know why you dont think im right so I can actually work on proving to you that I am right!



~~~Both these games are finished (dodges mod lightning)~~~
* - StrangerCoug meta and response to 793. In mini 604 he replaced in and joined a very scummy wagon on wierd reasons. When the wagon shifted to him he threw a vote on a lurker for pressure which quickly made that wagon a lynch. Looking at a few other games its constant, this guy gets lynched a lot as town for doing scummy stuff.

** - Corin in mini 608 was cop and was much more active in discussion and helped out in sealing a few scum lynches. His rate of posting was also much more there then it is in here, and the content was much greater. This play is nothing like what I saw in that game when he was town.

[armlx]

** - Corin in mini 608 was cop and was much more active in discussion and helped out in sealing a few scum lynches. His rate of posting was also much more there then it is in here, and the content was much greater. This play is nothing like what I saw in that game when he was town.

This is win. I now agree with a Corin wagon and may even join it based on this.

[killa seven]

I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing to

vote: killa 7

.

great the new guy joined the best wagon to avoid conflict
your willin to join to avoid conflict, great nice vote scumbag.

[SpyreX]

^^ This kind of business is why my vote is here and is staying here.

[orangepenguin]

I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing to

vote: killa 7

.

great the new guy joined

the best wagon

to avoid conflict
your willin to join to avoid conflict, great

nice vote

scumbag.

Best wagon = the wagon finding scum? Or did you mean the biggest wagon? Yeah, that post just makes me even more confident in my vote. If I wanted to avoid conflict, I would just simply lurk until the day was over, or I would jump on a smaller wagon.

[FaerieLord]

BTW, where is FaerieLord?

Here? I've posted in the previous page too.

just change my playstyle to try and help the town some?

It's not as easy as it sounds. I'm trying in other games, but it's still rather hard to change instinctive play

This is win. I now agree with a Corin wagon and may even join it based on this.

Having just read some of that game, I agree.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...You're willing to lynch Corin based on lurking (which may be imposed by RL), and the fact he was more active as a Cop? This is why I don't like meta - how do you know he's not being less active to avoid attention, because people know his "meta" as protown is to be vocal?
Meta is WIFOM and outguessing at best, and I refuse to lynch anyone based on meta and lurking alone.

CFR - You're missing the point. I'm not using killa's lurking as my main reason - it's more of a null-tell in my eyes, than a scum-tell. THe scum-tells for me are the way he posts without any content until someone attacks him, then misinterprets every post creatively, or even better, ignores them entirely, just spouting aggro at them.
As I pointed out in my PBPA, he also at two points in Day 1 implies that he knows fobiddan isn't town.

[armlx]

Meta is WIFOM and outguessing at best, and I refuse to lynch anyone based on meta and lurking alone.

Meta is not WIFOM. By that logic, all scum tells are WIFOM.

[StrangerCoug]

great the new guy joined the best wagon to avoid conflict
your willin to join to avoid conflict, great nice vote scumbag.

Something here screams OMGUS, even though in my book it implies voting back. Attacking a player just for voting you, killa seven? You seem desperate trying to stay alive here.

I'll take a look at Corinthian when I get the chance. I know that I said I'd do FaerieLord next, and that's something I've yet to bother doing. I really don't want to lynch Manito right now since killa seven voted for him without giving a reason. If I had to make a guess as to the three scum, then killa seven, Corinthian, and FaerieLord are it.

[armlx]

I'm not really buying the "meta" reasoning. If killa 7 is scummy, he's scummy. His actions and words have been consistently anti-town, and he wasn't really the driving force behind it, but he definitely sprung off the forbiddan mislynch. Based on others observations of him, and my own, I'm willing to

vote: killa 7

.

great the new guy joined the best wagon to avoid conflict
your willin to join to avoid conflict, great nice vote scumbag.

This kind of OMGUS is a mild scum tell on K7.

[Joubert]

Meta OUGHT to be WIFOM, because each game is a separate entity...

[LlamaFluff]

Meta OUGHT to be WIFOM, because each game is a separate entity...

To me meta is something you can use to back up a case or a defense of a player, but not something to soley convict them upon. For example Corin playing differently is something againt him, but it shouldnt be enough to lynch him on by himself. Same with K7, his behavior isnt ideal, while meta is a point to his favor, it doesnt absolve him 100% from being scum.

That said again though, lets lynch Corin or manito, cmon people.

[StrangerCoug]

Looking at Corinthian's posts, he seems to be overly defensive.

This is my least favorite post of his mostly one-liners:

God I hate you, Llama.

Me, Manito, and KoC have all gotten votes from you based on the idiotic idea that it's all right to vote for someone to pressure them into responding to you.

I refuse to respond to that kind of bullshit.

Tell me there isn't something wrong with refusing to give information.

Unvote: killa seven
Major HoS: killa seven
Vote: Corinthian

[Manito]

My read on manito and corin** though are not on players that have the newb tell.

They are both demonstrating scum tells that when you match them up across multiple games

, they end up flipping scum instead of town. This is an observation, but go back in your games and compare the likelyhood of the annoying, lurker being scum to the chance of the fence sitter, the flipflopper, the follower. These players are much, much more likely to be scum. Period.

Just what, exactly, are you matching me up against? I've participated in two games on this website, of which neither has completed, and this one here is the only one I am currently involved in, as I asked to be replaced in the other because of the time constraints/personal issues I mentioned earlier. So just how are you arriving at this conclusion with me, Llama...I'm curious?

[LlamaFluff]

My read on manito and corin** though are not on players that have the newb tell.

They are both demonstrating scum tells that when you match them up across multiple games

, they end up flipping scum instead of town. This is an observation, but go back in your games and compare the likelyhood of the annoying, lurker being scum to the chance of the fence sitter, the flipflopper, the follower. These players are much, much more likely to be scum. Period.

Just what, exactly, are you matching me up against? I've participated in two games on this website, of which neither has completed, and this one here is the only one I am currently involved in, as I asked to be replaced in the other because of the time constraints/personal issues I mentioned earlier. So just how are you arriving at this conclusion with me, Llama...I'm curious?

Against standards of play on the site and game as a whole. If you look back at most games, scum fall into these types of tells that I mentioned above much more often then annoying lurker. You are displaying these tells, Corin is displaying these tells, KoC has been displaying some of these tells. While K7 isnt the most townie person here, I think lurking and annoyance is where more of his votes come from then proven tells. I am more then happy to join the wagon of whatever player out of the three aformentioned gets to the lynching stage fastest, although Corin and mantio are my prefereances. The mood of the town seems to be calling for the Corin lynch now though, so I am going to

unvote
vote Corin

and ask the people who have been starting to call him scum (armlx, CFR I know have mentioned this) to help get behind this lynch. Its far overdue and looks much better then K7.

[armlx]

Meta OUGHT to be WIFOM, because each game is a separate entity...

Metas are only WIFOM once the player knows about them, as at that point they can actively change their behavior.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

God I hate you, Llama.

Me, Manito, and KoC have all gotten votes from you based on the idiotic idea that it's all right to vote for someone to pressure them into responding to you.

I refuse to respond to that kind of bullshit.

Huh, I missed this.

Tell us, corin: what kind of bullshit

do

you respond to?

[LaptopGun]

For what it's worth, Corin didn't respond to me in post 731 either. I called "bullshit" on his reasoning. He's posted once since then it was a vote.

I am not getting into another discussion about metas because I think I took the last one past the point of absurdity.

[LaptopGun]

Almost forgot...

FOS Corin

for dodging and bad reasoning.

[LlamaFluff]

less talking about Corin and more voting Corin would be a very good thing to do here

[Firestarter]

Ok, Ive seen enough to change my vote.

At Least K7 is posting now

, but my suspicion of him is still extremely high....

UNVOTE: VOTE: CORINTHIAN...

I will keep my extremely keen

FoS

on

K7

for now, as even though he is posting, hes not doing enough to alleviate the pressure on him...

[SpyreX]

*sigh*

Ok, here's the deal. Personally, I dont think Corin has been scummy this game. K7, however has.

Moreso, though, I want to see the game MOVE FORWARD.

So, here's the deal. If the wagon to Corin moves ahead like it looks like its going to, fine, I'll go along.

When Corin comes up town, I want for the rest of the damn game the term "meta" to be stricken from the records. I'd like to see people get lynched for their behavior this game.

If I'm wrong about Corin, I'll give a little more credence to this whole meta discussion. As it sits, I'm tiiired of it and I'd like to see the game actually progress based on the play of this game.