Micro 644: Flavorless Mafia - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

Join Ranmaru wagon. You won't. No balls.

[Tenshii]

You're right. I have no balls.

[RachMarie]

Is this really devolving into a who has the bigger balls contest?

[shannon]

Lynch pool for today now leaning toward Ranmaru, Not Mafia, Tenshii (just because it's possible that Tenshii targeted BTD and the doc saved BTD).

Join NM wagon. You won't. No balls.

I'm a girl so no, no balls. And I'm not going to be 'dared' in to voting for someone.

It's gotta be Ranmaru.

[shannon]

At least this is kind of reinforcing Tenshii as town, because I think Scum Tenshii would just hammer Ranmaru. (Opinion subject to WIFOM)

[Tenshii]

I'm a girl so no, no balls. And I'm not going to be 'dared' in to voting for someone.

It's gotta be Ranmaru.

Yeah but you have NM in your lynch pool, so why aren't you okay with switching.

[shannon]

Simply put, I think Ranmaru is scummier. Everyone else, I have very good reasons to town read and a little reason that says 'yeah but they could be scum'. Ranmaru I don't really have much to say that he's town at all.

What makes you think that NM is so much worse than Ranmaru?

[Not_Mafia]

Okay let's try this. Tenshii what is town about Ranmaru?

[shannon]

Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to review everyone on the list, and post their scum stuff and their town stuff. Then you know why I'm at where I'm at, and if I find something along the way that changes the ledger, I'll change my vote. OK?

[shannon]

First up, Not Mafia

Pros:

Scum read CR on D1, and pushed it through to an Aristo lynch on D2.

Constant challenging of Aristo D2. It's just so out there, and so little analysis (I'm not saying none, just little) to get Aristo to participate. Saved the day when it looked like I might have accidentally set up a BTD lynch. Could easily have let BTD go through/pushed BTD through if scum, but came back and went on about Aristo.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Aristophanes

Who's scum Aristo?

Aristo full reads list please

Aristo+Ranmaru

Rach what do you think of Aristo?

The solution is to lynch Aristo

Thouhts on an Aristo lynch Ramaru?

Gun to your head, Aristo town or scum?

Tenshii or shannon please unvote, I don't want Ranmaru to have the hammer

And Aristo claim

Hammer Aristo

Not really, Aristo is consistently site active and all he has done is slither on the Rach wagon

This I like, because it agrees with my perspective -

Can we flashwagon Ranmaru for trying to blag a no lynch

Think Abouties:

I've been known to bus

Cons:

Fake hammered Magna in 396 - this sort of thing just annoys me and seems unnecessary from town



Overall: If this is a scum slot then they're playing the very long (and unnecessary, I'd think?) con. Much simpler and less attention-grabbing to have let the BTD lynch happen and me to take the heat for it. TOWN

[shannon]

Tenshii is next.

Pros:

Lots of in-depth questioning in the early days. Asking people about their motivations and to explain when they say things like 'this is scum'.


Think About:

In reviewing the ISO I see quite a few defenses of me, e.g. 222. I'm not sure whether I'm being buddied here, especially as Tenshii seems adamant about lynching BTD as D2 goes on. Tinfoil time: Tenshii thinks everyone was so convinced by Magna's insistence that I am town, that he has hitched himself to my wagon, so to speak.


Cons:

Something about this reads as vaguely scummy to me, but I can't put my finger on it.

My vote stands. Both dead Town scumread this slot, and so do I. Thus this is my optimal vote.

Where did Grapes SR Arist?

We policy lynch Rach if she ends up not posting shit today too. Idgaf. Not going to lylo with that.

And what the crap Rach? You were so good on NM + Ari being the scumteam and then you just flipped on BTD like that?

[shannon]

I forgot the main pro for Tenshii, which is that BTD claims to have doctored him last night. I still maintain that this could go either way, and that BTD himself might have been both targeted and protected, leaving Tenshii unsure at best or scum at worst.

[shannon]

Rach next. Her ISO isn't as bad as I remembered.

Pros:

When she's here, she posts. E.g. 90
Long push on Not Mafia seems genuine ... It's in the spoilers

Spoiler:

no you did your naked vote thingy which always makes me suspicious of you NM and if we were not on deadline I would be voting you right now.

Because right now NM is reminding me so much of rarefaction it is pinging me HARD

I generally do not unvote until I have a serious mafia case

Don't have a major case, but i do think NM is scummier than you are,

VOTE: NM

Since you all are so determined

PLEASE look at NM tomorrow I am sure he is scum

I am not so sure about MoI but we have 5 hours uggh

Did he ever claim?

You know that does not exactly make my heart go pitta pat there NM, since that does not clear YOUR slot.

Yeah Aris dude why are you town leaning reading NM?

This feels very much like his play in rarefaction.

And NO ONE believed me for the longest time until FINALLY in the rarefaction phase they did.

meh I totally get it and you are right I have been totally useless in this game

I am VT so not a big loss

Still think NM is scum though, but doubt you all will see it til later.

He is probably bussing though so going with ari

Hence the reason I asked about if he bussed or not.

VOTE: Ari

Votes consistently with her reads. Unvoted BTD once he claimed, and then went on the Ari wagon after it became clear that NM wasn't going to get through. I don't see any vote hopping or opportunistic change of mind here.

VOTE: BTD


Reads

Town (strongest to weakest)

Shannon
Ran
Tenshi
Ari

Scum (strongest to weakest)
NM
BTD

Cons:

Extensive VLA, but I think we've established that's genuine and not hiding out from anything. Overall, I reckon TOWN

[shannon]

Ranmaru still to go, I've gotta go walk the doge.

Out of the three so far, I've got to say that Tenshii looks worst - it's only the non-death last night that makes him look good, and I think it's explainable by BTD being the target.

[shannon]

Ranmaru is next. This one was hard because there's so much content and it's quite dense.

Pros -

Is actively asking questions of *several* players (Grapes, Magna, Me) early on in the game, and provides detailed read on these people (and also CR, who became Aristo) in 220


Thinky - I'm going to put these in the 'think about' category rather than the scum tells, because I'm possibly conf biased at this point. I just want everybody to think about these things.

In 276 Grapes called him out for scummily pushing on me - eventually he dropped it and I became a town read, and it seemed to happen really quickly and based only on reading another game of mine. It felt at the time like he was worried about being caught out, and it still seems that way a bit.

A few posts about Aristo (but not really interacting with him) that to me could constitute distancing. I'm aware that at this point I could be conf biased, so I'd like to hear from the people on Not Mafia what they think about these -

Spoiler:

Aristo, I'd like a stance or two from you. Where do you stand in terms of wagons?

I like that Aristo is giving some content but I'd like more from both of them before having a solid stance. I really can't read anything from Not_Mafia with that naked vote. Can you go more into NM? Also what do you mean flying the coup?

Null. Aristo is a little better off than Rach at the moment since he has more content than her.

Alright. So at the moment, I don't see the Aristo case. I don't get it.

I see that Rach has a scumread of NM, and uses that he is bussing pre-flip to join NM's wagon. I find that suspect. I also think she claimed early to gain town cred, since Mafia might want to claim Doctor if they are going down. She did this early without reason to have the higher ground.

So between Aristo and Rach, I think a Rach wagon is the way to go today.

Unvote; Vote: Rach

I also noted that he has *thrice* put someone at L-1: BTD in 585 and then Rach in 661 and Aristo in 745. This, to me, looks like someone who's afraid of not being on the wagon.

[shannon]

PS doge liked his walk, lots of halloweeny kiddies running around and wanting to pat him, so that was nice

[shannon]

@Rach I just read NM's post in that Rarefaction game, and I don't really see the similarities? Certainly early game here he was posting heaps more (and in more depth) than there. What parallels exactly would you like to draw?

[RachMarie]

the fake hammer, the naked votes its more of a gut thing like I said.

Plus of course PoE

I have town on you, on BTD, and on Tenshii and I was town reading Ran early on. I have more doubts now.

And it seemed to me like the push on Ari was more of a bus push than a genuine scum read, but I will grant I have not been at my best in this game which is why I want to reread both their ISOs.

[shannon]

My strongest scum read is on Ranmaru because of scumminess, but Tenshii's ISO is kind of lacking in towniness - it'd be null for me were it not BTD vouching for him.

[Tenshii]

What makes you think that NM is so much worse than Ranmaru?

Lol now that I think about it I just think NM is scum. Don't really have a read on Ranmaru alone.

[Tenshii]

Also, NM has never stated this whole day why Ranmaru is scum. His reasons for his votes this whole game is "You have to be scum."

[BTD6_maker]

Ranmaru's case on NM is rather flimsy, though, and there are many other reasons to vote Ranmaru.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #3 (Deadline Update)

BTD6_maker (0) -
Ranmaru (3) (L-1) - Not_Mafia, shannon, BTD6_Maker
Tenshii (0) -
Not_Mafia (2) - Rach, Ranmaru
shannon (0) -
Rach (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Tenshii

Lynch Threshold

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 3 will end on November 5, 2016 11:00 AM EDT or in (expired on 2016-11-05 11:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Moderator V/LA every Friday until November 11.
Moderator V/LA on October 24 and November 5.

Everyone must respond within (expired on 2016-11-01 04:11:46).

[RachMarie]

uggh

Shannon and btd are sold on it being Ran

Ran and NM are clearly not going to self vote

I guess I have no choice

I do not want to see a NL

INTENT TO HAMMER

Please if you guys are wrong about this please take a closer look at NM tomorrow.

[RachMarie]

wait tenshi is not voting why is that tenshi?