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[killerjester]

Oh well my apologies for being skeptical. The point I was trying to make is if you had an inno on BBstar I'd suspect that Poppy was scum.

VOTE: BBstar

[killerjester]

Did we win?

[Cheery Dog]

I would have quoted CES's opening post when I posted, but I was on my DS then which has images disabled, and since the quote button is an image I can't press it to quote.

If BBS had come up innocent I wouldn't have been voting him today.

The only way I don't see us having won is if there was a 4th scum, or a framer, both of which would be cruel.

[basketballstar24]

Lol, gg.

I was scum after all. I tried to trick you guys by not killing a cop because I knew I wasn't going to survive anyway.

Good game, all three scum appeared scummy the first day. We sucked.

I fail as scum

[killerjester]

Cool. Apologies to Idiotking. But not too much, cos we won anyway. Your fakeclaim was good too.

[Cheery Dog]

You did well to hang us out until day 5, and you must have been doing something right to get a fully town wagon lynch town on day 1, though that probably would have dissolved into nothing had hellhound not disappeared.

I think you could have fooled as a bit better with your other night kill choices. Pasch probably would have been lynched day 3 with the chainsaw defence of lupo and then "bussing" when the NS wagon lost steam.
Night 3 you probably should have killed I Am Innocent risking a doc protect on him, and then me last night and Idiotking would be an easy mislynch today having failed to protect both cops.

though the question of what happened night 1 is still a mystery.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Hmmm, wish I hadn't read that business until the mod popped in to confirm all this talk...

[basketballstar24]

Lol. @CheeryDog, night one we forgot to send a kill. The deadline was too early.

For N2, we killed Paschendale because I thought he was kind of acting weird. A huge burst on kj, not good. NS was also eager to kill him.

For N3 we killed IK because it was pretty obvious. We didn't know he would do a kind of gambit like this.

For N4, I tried to trick you guys into not killing a cop, since I knew I was going to be lynched the next day, after NS appeared scummy.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Not really, no.

You should. You ignored 2 rock solid arguments in favour of my innocence to keep tunneling me when the scum was right in front of you.

[pieceofpecanpie]

(What rock solid arguments were they?

1 is cop claim right? The other?)

Anyway, I'm not interested in having some back and forth about it unless you feel like making some sort of constructive feedback out of it. You can get the fuck off your high horse because I applied myself in this game and have no problem admitting my mistakes, and learning from them, but I'm not going to feel ashamed or stupid for trying.

[ChaosOmega]

Vote Count 5.01

basketballstar24 (4) - Cheery Dog, Cogito Ergo Sum, pieceofpecanpie, killerjester

Not Voting (2) - basketballstar24, I Am Innocent

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached!

basketballstar24,

mafia gunsmith

, was lynched Day 5.

Town wins!

I'm really tired, I'll post night actions/thoughts tomorrow. Scum can choose whether or not they want to post their QT.

[Kublai Khan]

Man.. Sorry everyone. Wasn't my best game and really did keep putting off posting.

That said, my lynch was pretty bad.

[Idiotking]

Awesome.

Cool. Apologies to Idiotking. But not too much, cos we won anyway. Your fakeclaim was good too.

No hard feelings.

I was actually considering claiming an odd-day cop, but I figured it was more likely that there was one of those than a doc, given we already had a vig. I also figured that if necessary I could spin it to where the game was designed to prevent follow-the-cop, given that there were two of them and I would have had only one protection. I did it fully hoping to get NK'd, and luckily that's what scum did. I've never been so happy to be killed.

[Cheery Dog]

I think the scum's fail to kill anyone night 1 helped us believe you.
If there was something there, there may have been a difference to how well it worked.

I thought I would have been a fairly obvious night 1 kill since I had soft claimed power, and I had actually assumed someone must have saved me then. (at that stage I was guessing odd-night doc) - which based on the readslists given at the start of day 2 I thought was triangle.

I think NS's roleblocker claim after I suggested that it could have been a roleblocker would have got him lynched even if IAI didn't have a guilty on him - I can't see any scumteam having sent Lupo on the night 1 kill.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

(What rock solid arguments were they?

1 is cop claim right? The other?)

Cheery Dog not dying overnight.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Thanks for the game everyone. Thanks for modding Chaos.

I must say that for the most part I enjoyed it.

I thought there was some very good play and some not so good play, but not too much of either, and that helps with learning from mistakes and from the good stuff.

Personally, I was disappointed in my own early game. I think probably 1 in every 2 posts from Day 1 I would go back and rewrite completely. Also, I am still kicking myself for taking an idea of "confirmed town" way too far. Apart from that I thought there were some good town performances by killerjester and Cheery Dog (and Pappum's while he was still here was a good player). I'm both confused and surprised by the scumplay. Confused at things like the no kill, their heavy bussing and some other stuff. And surprised that it ended relatively cleanly for town. I picture a little more of a push or prod of suspicion on a different mislynch could've completely upset how things ended. I thought Idiotking's fakeclaim off of the no kill N1 was an amazing move, although you were a bit flaky early on, that claim in itself was impressive.

Thanks again for the game everyone.

[Kublai Khan]

Why are people praising a fakeclaiming VT? That is bad, bad play.

[killerjester]

Clearly he put some thought into it and knew what he was doing. It's not like he was fakeclaiming for the lulz.

[Kublai Khan]

Bad precedent. Bad practice. Lynch all liars.

[Idiotking]

If I'd been outed, sure. As it was, I was at L-1, and I was trying to prevent a town lynch (granted, it just shifted over to you, but from my point of view you were unknown). My fakeclaim would have only done harm if there was a doc, and as I already said, it would be a stretch to assume that the town had two cops, a vig, AND a doc going for them. Even if the town had one more power role, with that setup, a roleblocker was more likely, so doc seemed to be a pretty safe bet.

Fantastic cop play by the way, IAI and Cheery Dog. 2 scum in a row is pretty amazing.

[Kublai Khan]

The reason I voted I Am Innocent after I finished reading up is because his soft-claim looked fake since there was an un-CCed doc, cop, and a dead vig.

That vote put him at L-1 and caused him to claim. And that got me lynched. So, yeah, thanks for that.

[ChaosOmega]

Setup/distribution:

basketballstar24 - Mafia Gunsmith
Nobody Special - Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker
Lupo - Mafia Goon

pappums rat/I Am Innocent - Odd-Night Cop
Cheery Dog - Even-Night Cop
Hellhound1/ChannelDelibird - Vigilante
pieceofpecanpie - Miller

FUT/killerjester - Townie
triangle123/Cogito Ergo Sum - Townie
Paschendale - Townie
Kublai Khan - Townie
Idiotking - Townie
Melmond - Townie

Night Actions:

Night 1:

pappums rat/I Am Innocent investigates triangle123/Cogito Ergo Sum, gets innocent result

Night 2:

Cheery Dog investigates Melmond, gets innocent result
Nobody Special roleblocks Melmond, successful
basketballstar24 kills Paschendale, successful

Night 3:

pappums rat/I Am Innocent investigates Nobody Special, gets guilty result
basketballstar24 kills Idiotking, successful

Night 4:

Cheery Dog investigates basketballstar24, gets guilty result
basketballstar24 kills Melmond, successful

Thoughts:

The scum team's play was...suboptimal, to say the least. No actions submitted N1 wasn't the best, and leaving claimed power roles alive for multiple days was bad.

Idiotking's doc claim was interesting. It worked out about as well as it possibly could, but I was hoping for the mafia to RB him and kill I Am Innocent, because I would have wanted to see how that all played out.

I was hoping the whole all town PR's have guns/mafia gunsmith would be interesting, but the gunsmith ability was never used.

[Cheery Dog]

I think this game may have turned out a lot differently if the scum had actually used their powers, I don't know if the gunsmith would have got anywhere (seeing as he never killed the claimed cops anyway), but I would have expected a roleblock on IaI night 3 while they were killing the "doctor".

[Nobody Special]

Oddly enough, I thought I was only 1-shot RB (one of many, many mistakes made this game). I know we discussed checking various people for guns in the QT; apparently those were never submitted.

I'm okay linking the QT if the others are.

[basketballstar24]

@NS, I could only submit one, and Lupo wasn't cooperating. He was dead by D2.