Open 80 - Double Day Mafia (Game Over!)

[armlx]

news flash K7 doesnt usualy do much on day 1's and certaining when im a bored townie role. im hapyy to sit here and chat with you guys all untill im lynched.

This.

The fact he hasn't shamelessly wagoned all game makes me feel he is town also.

THAT

killa seven - 6 (TheSweatpantsNinja, Firestarter, Knight of Cydonia, SpyreX, StrangerCoug, Corinthian)
Manito - 3 (FaerieLord, LlamaFluff, killa seven)
Firestarter - 2 (armlx, CF Riot)
FaerieLord - 1 (Manito)
armlx - 1 (LaptopGun)

Not Voting - Joubert, orangepenguin

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

-Mod

[Knight of Cydonia]

Um... the reason he never wagoned is because he's been lurking for most of this day. And he not only started and then encouraged teh forbiddan lynch, he then basically admitted TWICE he didn't think forbiddan was scum.
Meta is bullcrap, especially with someone as... well, from what I'm seeing, batcrap-crazy as K7.

[armlx]

Meta is bullcrap, especially with someone as... well, from what I'm seeing, batcrap-crazy as K7.

His actions are only crazy compared to a normal person. Compared to his own, they are quite logical right now.

[Firestarter]

Meta is bullcrap, especially with someone as... well, from what I'm seeing, batcrap-crazy as K7.

His actions are only crazy compared to a normal person. Compared to his own, they are quite logical right now.

And your gonna use this on the assumption that he's town, yeah???

Your forgetting the fact, that he could be using his meta as a scumbag too...
Forgetting or ignoring...

The fact is, in this thread, he is acting like scum, your ongoing belief that this is his meta says that you would also believe he is scum if you had no meta-read on him...

Based on this thread alone, BM, what are your thoughts on K7's play?

And do you think his play in this thread is less scummy than mine?

[armlx]

Who do you want to respond to your last post Firestarter? Who is BM?

[Firestarter]

Who do you want to respond to your last post Firestarter? Who is BM?

Its fairly obvious by looking at who I quoted who I was addressing....

The BM is from another game... apologies...

Now, in case you didn't cop it, its at you armlx....

[armlx]

Based on this thread alone, BM, what are your thoughts on K7's play?

This question is irrelevant, but based on this thread alone his play has been on a similar level as fl's was.

And do you think his play in this thread is less scummy than mine?

Yes, especially considering this push to lynch him based on skewed analysis of him despite the evidence that he plays vastly different to most people being handed to you.

[Firestarter]

Your calling his meta evidence???

Rubbish....

[armlx]

Go ahead. Read any of his posts in other games and tell me your disagree with that analysis. Scummy actions are based on deviations from pro-town behavior, and if a player has a different definition of pro-town behavior you can't cite their actions as scummy based on a discrepancy from normal town behavior.

[Firestarter]

Save me the lecture... please..

Question, since we're talking about meta's...

Have you read my only previous completed game?

[armlx]

No, I haven't Firestarter. Do you believe doing so would make me view your actions in a different light?

[Firestarter]

TBH, Im not really concerned if they do, but your viewing K7 as not being scum, citing his "meta" as evidence...

[armlx]

TBH, Im not really concerned if they do, but your viewing K7 as not being scum, citing his "meta" as evidence...

I don't see your point. I have played with K7 enough to realize that is his meta.

[Firestarter]

My point is fairly obvious armlx....

I dont consider meta's as "evidence" to anyones alignment in a different game, but you clearly do....

You didn't answer the following question correctly, BTW..

And do you think his play in

this thread

is less scummy than mine?

[armlx]

And do you think his play in this thread is less scummy than mine?

I did. I think his play in this thread is less scummy than yours based on his behavior in other threads.

[Firestarter]

Again, your avoiding my question....

I asked about his behaviour in this thread, independent of any other.....

[CF Riot]

Ok this has stopped being helpful discussion and is now bickering. FS refuses to see meta as relevant, there's no point in giving him reasons why it is. He just doesn't care. Armlx uses meta when he plays, so there's no point telling him not to for this one case because this is how he works. You disagree, just drop it.

Corinthian has been pretty against [Killa] throughout the game, AFAIK, althoguh I have to admit, he didn't give a reason in his vote post.

However, I don't like the way K7 is trying to push attention onto a policy lynch - isn't it better to lynch someone incredibly scummy, who's been active, than to lynch someone who has been mildly scummy, but less active?
This isn't a game of lynching less active players, it's a game of lynching scummy ones - like killa.

Wrong. Corin only weakly pointed suspicion at K7, and was much more vocal about FL. He's switched now because that wagon's not going anywhere, and K7's looks like it is. What K7 is doing is not even close to a policy lynch. The way he's voting is bad because it's making him look scummier but it makes sense because he has to try to run up a wagon to overtake his own to survive. His vote on Corin has more meaning behind it than Corin's vote on Killa.

I'm also starting to see you stretch how active K7 was in "steering the Forbid lynch". He was the first to vote her (actually second after a random from, interestingly enough, Firestarter) and he wasn't popping in to guide it from the side because he never popped in until the wagon was almost full. He never said anything about thinking Forbid was town either, that is another stretch. KoC is using whatever he can dig up against K7 and blowing it up to make it seem more sinister than what it really is. He's doing a damn good job of it too apparently, although I will say Killa is helping him a lot.

KoC is scum. I'm more sure of it now than ever. FS is most likely scum. Manito could be, but I'd rather lynch those I have a better read on now. Corin could be, but I personally can't read him that well.

[Firestarter]

Ok this has stopped being helpful discussion and is now bickering. FS refuses to see meta as relevant, there's no point in giving him reasons why it is. He just doesn't care. Armlx uses meta when he plays, so there's no point telling him not to for this one case because this is how he works. You disagree, just drop it.

CFR......

I dont see Meta as evidence that someone in a different game is of 1 alignment or the other... Very correct, and thank you for your observation...

What you have failed to observe is the point I was trying to make with armlx...

He is refusing point blank to answer a question Ive very clearly made...
Yet you dont mention this in your last post..

He is also basing his read on K7 with a Meta, yet both you and he have ignore my point through our recent exchange....
That is, has armlx read my only previously completed game??

If he had, he may have a different read on me, and I invite you to do so too CFR, seeing as you place some interest in Meta's with your dismissing remark about me not thinking they are relevant.

Im trying to make a point here, yet everytime I do, you, CFR, try to play it down, and change topic....

@armlx...

My question still stands about K7's behaviour in

THIS THREAD ONLY?

It seems you are unable to answer this without referring to his meta, yet you think Im scum without mine...

[killa seven]

KOc was pushing FL's wagon harder then me, i cant believe hes attacking me for voting her.
i never actually said "i knjow your town" i said townies shouldnt vote for themselves, hense her saying "vote me blah im a townie you guys are wrong"
read my pbpa of him attacking FL jesus..

[LaptopGun]

2.) I can't pinpoint it, but there seems to be, in reading, a connection between Firestarter and LaptopGun - I'll have to do a deeper analysis to why, but reading their posts thats sure the feeling I got.

I've agreed with several things he's said. I've also agreed with you in similar fashion.

[armlx]

My question still stands about K7's behaviour in THIS THREAD ONLY?

based on this thread alone his play has been on a similar level as fl's was.

It seems you are unable to answer this without referring to his meta, yet you think Im scum without mine...

His meta is extreme to the point it distorts normal scum tells, just like FaerieLord's distorts the lack of voting into a null tell. BTW, where is FaerieLord?

[SpyreX]

If his meta is scummy enough if distorts normal scum tells, letting him live for it is just retarded.

Its things like this why I hate metas. They're not a damn shield and they shouldn't be.

[armlx]

If his meta is scummy enough if distorts normal scum tells, letting him live for it is just retarded.

No, as killing him for it is just the same as lynching randomly.

[SpyreX]

I'm voting him because I think his play has been very scummy, especially as it goes on.

I'm not going to not lynch him because he's developed a meta that would allow for such behavior to slide through the cracks.

If I played scummy consistently, I'd expect to be lynched for it. Maybe then I'd, maybe, just change my playstyle to try and help the town some?

(I'm not irritated at you, I'm just irritated at metas and how they're being used in the games I'm in a lot)

[armlx]

If I played scummy consistently, I'd expect to be lynched for it. Maybe then I'd, maybe, just change my playstyle to try and help the town some?

I've seen him lynched several times. To my knowledge, it does not help him change.