Mini 1075 - Fishtown Mafia

[LlamaFluff]

I still have a hard time believing that Emp would do something as scum that will for sure get him a whole lot of flack, then make a MD post much later about why its a good idea to massclaim early. There are just way to many things that support him being town. I cant see him doing something as scum that he states in a different thread will greatly help the town. Im not voting for Emp today, and I dont want to vote for Corv since a Haylen-Corv pairing doesnt make much sense.

[Haylen]

Haylen... post or die.

Um. Nope. I'm V/LA at the weekend. This doesn't count as a post. I should probably have informed you guys I was in hospital for some of last week and was trapped under mounds of psychology paperwork - good news is I'm currently averaging a score 40% higher than I did last years. Yay!

Are we lynching Corvuus yet?
Was the gamblers fallacy being used when deciding that either myself or Fenhl must be scum?
It's annoying that people have just suddenly jumped on me, particularly when most people are voting for Empking. Hypocrisy much! Mixed in with some honey and Opportunism.

[Empking]

Haylen; Are you planning on voting Corv?

[Corvuus]

unvote, vote haylen

mod: votecount with deadline time left plz .

deadline should be tomorrow.

Still prefer an EMP lynch but i don't think that is going to happen and i don't have time to beat it to death.

Corvuus

[DavidParker]

Recent thoughts: Nocmen seems like scum. He is just fence sitting saying he is "looking into people", but he hasn't even posted a real case on anyone of recent, and just seems to be coasting.

I can see Corv as a possible scum buddy or possibly Haylen/fenhl.

Emp no longer seems like obv-scum thanks to Llama's defense :/, although i'm glad someone defended him since he wasn't going to defend himself, although it's probably easier to hear when it's not coming from the person you think is scum.

Unvote

I'm going to reread more of Nocmen's "investigations" and game input, but right now I think a corv lynch may not be too bad (yeah major backpeddle :/)

[DavidParker]

So... You guys wanna do a quick Nocmen iso and see if you notice anything apart from anti-town coasting?

[Corvuus]

That is an interesting turn of events but deadline should be TODAY. If this is how you feel DP (and haylen as well) then you probably should have tried doing something about it when there was more time available.

I will note how I have said an EMP + noc + Haylen is a possibility, and I'm somewhat surprised you think i'm not a bad lynch now (but it is DP) and also at your logic when you 1. refer to me as a possible scumbuddy (in reference to who? Nocmen? Seriously?) 2. list Fenhl/Llama as a possibility but also list Llama's defense of EMP... or are you confusing player slots?

At any rate, despite my position for Noc-scum, Noc has consistently stated a Corv + DP + Fenhl/Llama and, if you wish to accuse him of coasting, you could accuse EMP, Rhinox, Haylen, etc. as well.

My problem with Noc is essentially also my problem with you DP. His stated reasoning (which I believe he still follows) is that a Corv-town + DP-town is highly unlikely due to the probability of a Singer-town lynch with Corv-competing wagon. He doesn't like that, nor the vote I had for DP despite the clear reasons I gave for it. I.e. The argument that a DP-scum would not care which person was lynched (Corv-town, Singer-town) and that I (as Corv-town) shouldn't have a problem with it is a naive position and I see no problem with pointing it out as one. There is also the issue of his (Noc) gaining flak for his role (with DP) in flipping the wagon and he may want to lynch me simply to 1. gain information, 2. try to prove himself. I have problems with that, especially since I am town, but in the end my views on Noc are colored mainly by Noc + DP interaction and previous days.

I don't have time now but short version: I consider a Noc + DP scumteam not that likely but that 1 scum is within Noc + DP. There are other things to consider but still .... I'm not pleased with this DP. This might sound extremely crappy coming from me but... what are you thinking in regards to yesterday and today?

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EMP: your comments on 1. ok, 2. ok, 3. switch - scum. is an amusing rehash of my own wall of post. I'll just submit that while you 'may' actually believe that, several players have said that the 1. 2. 3. by FA does not strike them as scummy at all. So feel free to post a case based on me (Corvuus) as opposed to still trying to lynch me based on FA.

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5 needed to lynch, 4 votes on haylen.

Presuming Haylen will not self-vote, I hope 1 of the remaining players not voting her will hammer her today. DP, EMP, Noc.
I will note that, according to my understanding of the deadline rules, Haylen should be deadline lynch-able when I make this post. Feel free to hammer/keep it that way.

Corvuus
p.s. i'm not sure when the exact time is for deadline but I will be gone for at least 6-8 hours if not more.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Hayl

[Haylen]

Well that was stupid wasn't it. I'm vanilla and I'm 99% sure the game was in lylo. Btw, it's really shitty lynching a person when they're V/LA. Empking is obv scum, Corvuus is his partner + one other. Probably a coaster.

[Empking]

You should've voted Corv (whatever your alignment).

[Fishythefish]

Day 4, Final votecount

Haylen (5) - neko2086, Rhinox, LlamaFluff, Corvuus, Empking
corvuus (1) - Nocmen

Not Voting (2) - Haylen, DavidParker

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Haylen, vanilla townie

is lynched. Night starts - deadline 72 hours from now.

[Fishythefish]

Day breaks, and

Rhinox, vanilla townie

has been killed. Deadline is in two weeks. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[DavidParker]

This is definitely MYLO now.

No lynch is the way to go probably.

I'd rather hold off posting my town reads as to not influence the night kill tonight.

[LlamaFluff]

Not probably... is

Vote No Lynch

[DavidParker]

Vote: no lynch

[Corvuus]

according to my understanding, 3 votes for no lynch will immediately end the day.

so.... just be aware of that with 2 people already voting no lynch.

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No lynch or not, all remaining townies have to vote for scum in order to lynch scum.

I still believe we need to lynch EMP.

Corvuus

[DavidParker]

We need 4 don't we? for a majority. Maybe not for no lynch.

Regardless, just vote no lynch now. No need to discuss reads as it will just help scum further plan their night kill tonight.

[Empking]

Vote: NL

[Corvuus]

3 people voting no lynch means it is impossible for a lynch to occur. Thus, according to fishy's rules/vote counts, 3 no-lynch votes are enough for no lynch to occur.

So it is just waiting until fishy comes in now.

Corv

[neko2086]

Vote: No lynch

just in case.

[Fishythefish]

Day 5, Final votecount

No lynch (3) - LlamaFluff, DavidParker, Empking

Not Voting (3) - Corvuus, neko2086, Nocmen

There is

no lynch

. Night 5 begins, and will end in at most 72 hours.

[Fishythefish]

Day 6 begins. Everyone is alive.

If consecutive three day/night cycles pass without any death, and the mod deems it appropriate, the game will end in a draw between all parties who could still win.

Your deadline is in 2 weeks time.

[Empking]

Vote: No Lynch

- Scum have more to lose from a draw than we do.

[DavidParker]

Given we have yet to hit a scum, and are just as (or possibly more) like to be manipulated by scum into a mislynch at this point, I believe we should be sticking with the no lynch option.

Vote: No Lynch

[DavidParker]

Previewedit that isn't an edit: Agree with emp.

Force scum to make a night kill. Right now, I'm happy with a draw :/