TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Bowser's Castle (Mafia Chat)

[Cerberus v666]

Alright, i am back and working on things!

[HighPrincessErinys]

Consulted Aisa and her thoughts were along the lines of Fate's weird ass aggressive play being potentially dangerous, but CSF is a solid townplayer and killing Fate would leave us with a more analytical than not town. Also concerns that peta/Jingle living would possibly show scum trying to get the two to keep dueling eachother possibly into a mislim.

[HighPrincessErinys]

In the event we miss night deadline this one will say these can be our actions:
Rolecop Adorable
Ninja-Kill Cat Scratch Fever

If you've got a better idea and this one isn't awake to discuss it with you then go ahead and supersede it.

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm. Finally done, but the messy way to just check game state, not the way to be ready to provide analysis for the town.

General game state:

Player Name Townread Null or better Would lim
Adorb 3 6 3
CSF 6 8 1
Cerb 2 5 4
Fate 3 5 4
HPE 2 6 3
Jingle 5 8 1
Peta 3 6 3
RR 4 9 0
Wgeurts 4 6 3

Easiest Lim's(# SR's): Cerb/Fate(4), Adorable/HPE/Peta/Wgeurts(3), CSF/Jingle(1), RR(0)
Most defenders(# TR): CSF(6), Jingle(5), RR/Wgeurts(4), Peta/Fate/Adorable(3), Cerb/HPE(2)

Kill options:

CSF/Jingle/RR are best for reducing town cohesion.
Fate/Wgeurts are best for reducing direct pressure on us - they are the only two slots that are willing to vote both of us.

Fate has 4 slots they're willing to lim, so us shooting them may not force attention directly onto us as their only scumreads.
Wgeurts only has 3 expressed(but information may also be very out of date, only Jingle suspicion is current - we may not even be in their PoE anymore
CSF - only expressed suspicion that is notable is Fate - TR's you and is neutral towards me. Shot reduces your defenders.
Jingle - Has 3 SR's that are not us, a TR on you, and a not-willing-to-clear-by-claim suspicion on me. I don't believe we shoot here. If they are a PR, power isn't likely to come at us, and they will muddy the waters in the day phase.
RR - Wishes to lim CSF, me, and Peta. shooting here reduces pressure on me and dilutes teh resulting attention, but CSF is unlikely to be targeted - it becomes me v peta if town wants to think that way.

I believe CSF is the overall best option. Fate's weird play is absolutely dangerous, and despite the numbers showing they're kinda in lim danger, I don't think they truly are without us both committing to forcing through that lim. We should play as though there's a vote on us from fate at all times while they're alive, basically. :-/ He very likely unvoted while they were waiting for my claim so if someone else felt it was important to keep me at L-1 he could hammer.

Outcome of CSF flip: RR has to reevaluate suspicion of the slot, which they are already doing due to their teammates thoughts. Wgeurts, Peta, Jingle, and Adorable all get more certain in the accuracy of their reads - Wgeurts is the one of those that is a concern, but that doesn't change anything from today.

SC: Final actions
HPE Activates Ninja
HPE Performs Factional Kill on Cat Scratch Fever
Cerberus V666 Rolecops Adorable

I will be sending in these actions as a message to you as well.

[SirCakez]

Hmm. Finally done, but the messy way to just check game state, not the way to be ready to provide analysis for the town.

General game state:

Player Name Townread Null or better Would lim
Adorb 3 6 3
CSF 6 8 1
Cerb 2 5 4
Fate 3 5 4
HPE 2 6 3
Jingle 5 8 1
Peta 3 6 3
RR 4 9 0
Wgeurts 4 6 3

Easiest Lim's(# SR's): Cerb/Fate(4), Adorable/HPE/Peta/Wgeurts(3), CSF/Jingle(1), RR(0)
Most defenders(# TR): CSF(6), Jingle(5), RR/Wgeurts(4), Peta/Fate/Adorable(3), Cerb/HPE(2)

Kill options:

CSF/Jingle/RR are best for reducing town cohesion.
Fate/Wgeurts are best for reducing direct pressure on us - they are the only two slots that are willing to vote both of us.

Fate has 4 slots they're willing to lim, so us shooting them may not force attention directly onto us as their only scumreads.
Wgeurts only has 3 expressed(but information may also be very out of date, only Jingle suspicion is current - we may not even be in their PoE anymore
CSF - only expressed suspicion that is notable is Fate - TR's you and is neutral towards me. Shot reduces your defenders.
Jingle - Has 3 SR's that are not us, a TR on you, and a not-willing-to-clear-by-claim suspicion on me. I don't believe we shoot here. If they are a PR, power isn't likely to come at us, and they will muddy the waters in the day phase.
RR - Wishes to lim CSF, me, and Peta. shooting here reduces pressure on me and dilutes teh resulting attention, but CSF is unlikely to be targeted - it becomes me v peta if town wants to think that way.

I believe CSF is the overall best option. Fate's weird play is absolutely dangerous, and despite the numbers showing they're kinda in lim danger, I don't think they truly are without us both committing to forcing through that lim. We should play as though there's a vote on us from fate at all times while they're alive, basically. :-/ He very likely unvoted while they were waiting for my claim so if someone else felt it was important to keep me at L-1 he could hammer.

Outcome of CSF flip: RR has to reevaluate suspicion of the slot, which they are already doing due to their teammates thoughts. Wgeurts, Peta, Jingle, and Adorable all get more certain in the accuracy of their reads - Wgeurts is the one of those that is a concern, but that doesn't change anything from today.

SC: Final actions
HPE Activates Ninja
HPE Performs Factional Kill on Cat Scratch Fever
Cerberus V666 Rolecops Adorable

I will be sending in these actions as a message to you as well.

Got these

[Cerberus v666]

Adorable is Princess Peach. She is a loved bodyguard, so +1 vote to hammer, and unlimited bodyguarding.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Adorable is Princess Peach. She is a loved bodyguard, so +1 vote to hammer, and unlimited bodyguarding.

oh thats HUGE.

[HighPrincessErinys]

and thank god thats the tracker down. might commit to the universal backup claim tbh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Adorable is Princess Peach. She is a loved bodyguard, so +1 vote to hammer, and unlimited bodyguarding.

What exactly does Loved mean here? Is there a Lover and we'll get a two-for-one by killing Adorable, or...?

[Cerberus v666]

Loved means she takes one extra vote to lim!

She has a self-proving role, and is *close* to conftown - loved scum exist, but a loved scum is basically an autoloss for a town without killing powers who let's the slot live past D2, so it's pretty rare.

She is, however, a bodyguard, so for her power to be useful she'd have to sacrifice herself. The question is whether there is another outright protective in town, which could combo with her to allow them to keep some critical PR alive for multiple night phases.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So a high priority target either way.

[Cerberus v666]

Ah mm nm, her loved power does deactivate in MELO/ELO, so if it were on scum it could be viable. Bodyguard is pretty much clear town.

The question is what do I do with this information. I claimed a non-specific investigative power. I could have a vanilla cop, if we want a less explicitly scummy power than rolecop is? or I can just vaguely say she's very likely town from my results, whenever I share things with town - I will not be sharing my result, btw, until at least a few days of content have been generated.

[Cerberus v666]

I actually think the power deactivating in MELO/ELO makes her a low priority target. She doesn't *prevent* kills, just redirects them, and she can't catch us with investigative results. She'd probably be a challenging lim in endgame, but not an impossible one.

[Cerberus v666]

Alright, so tanooki is a one time commute. That might be the source of possible doc saves in the game? Hmm

Right now we have

VT
Even Tracker
Loved Bodyguard
Unknown Town
Unknown Town
Unknown Town
Unknown Town
Unknown Town

VS

Roleblock/Cop(3 shots)
Strongman 1x Ninja 1x

[HighPrincessErinys]

this massclaim man, hoo boy

[Cerberus v666]

I...I don't even know what to say about this lol.

Do I corroborate Adorables claim? Like... her claim means I lost the verifiable nature of my claim, lol.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do I corroborate Adorables claim? Like... her claim means I lost the verifiable nature of my claim, lol.

man idk??? Hopefully Fate can have a stupid moment and maul someone who isn't you.

[Cerberus v666]

Ah, there is the doctor.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, our funny combo.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@Mod

Does my Strongman effect go through Tanooki or DK?

[Cerberus v666]

I believe, as the language of your strongman says it happens despite any game effects, that it should still go through, but he would know best.

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you think this one should make it's universal backup claim and say it's an even tracker now? Join the whole massclaim thing?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you think this one should make it's universal backup claim and say it's an even tracker now? Join the whole massclaim thing?

Choice made for me by someone bothering to ask me to claim.....

[HighPrincessErinys]

it would be fucking majestic if adorable somehow got mislimmed here

[Cerberus v666]

That's fine. Town is stronger than the mechanical spec people anticipated I think.