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[fua]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

[fua]

Why the hell is my text tiny now?

[fua]

Wait, no, that’s just my settings. Carry on.

[Dwlee99]

Cause NM is funny

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay let's no lim

VOTE: No Lim

After all, we are more likey to kill scum than town here

Is this a joke?

[UglyDuck]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

[UglyDuck]

Town than scum*

Difference between the vig shot and a lynch (are we still using lynch on this site here? sorry if not) is that it forces people to cast a vote. They are both more likely to find Town on Day 1/Night 1, but with the vig kill... it is just what that person thought, and they are confirmed town on flip so it gives us no re read potential. A mislynch otoh, especially on day 1, can be extremely valuable.

[JacksonVirgo]

Town than scum*

Difference between the vig shot and a lynch (are we still using lynch on this site here? sorry if not) is that it forces people to cast a vote. They are both more likely to find Town on Day 1/Night 1, but with the vig kill... it is just what that person thought, and they are confirmed town on flip so it gives us no re read potential. A mislynch otoh, especially on day 1, can be extremely valuable.

We use "elimination" here mainly iirc.

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you saying that Vigilante shouldn't shoot early-game because it will give us no information based on vote patterns etc?

[Ythan]

2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.

[Ythan]

I haven't checked but there could be easily be players in this game younger than this topic.

[JacksonVirgo]

2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.

Shush oldie

[fua]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

Would you mind clarifying, please?

[fua]

And no, we use ‘lim’, as in eliminate.

[Not_Mafia]

Bad idea. Scum have a Doc, if we call out the target and you would hit scum they just protect them. If you would hit town they can still protect them for the WIFOM. And if you're fake claiming Vig but you're still town, they can Watch your target to see if you actually are Vig.

Just shoot the scummiest slot tonight so scum can't anticipate who to target and just default to protecting themselves.

That's why we just eliminate the Doc, duh

[Not_Mafia]

Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?

That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.

Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?

Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.

VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]

Discuss.

I don't do RVS.

Well then you're anti-town

[Not_Mafia]

I don't want to bog down the thread talking about this but the idea is if you're on, say, 6 - 2, and you lim someone, you enter night 5 - 2 (or 6 - 1), and then you end night on odds (scum kill + vigilante kill) giving you, say 3 - 2, which is an extra town kill than if the vigilante didn't shoot and you entered the next day 4 - 2 (which is still ELO of some form w/ or w/o the vig shot)

I mean.... that is arbitrary.
The fact is that when you shoot at a point in the game when you do not have a realistic potential to have a good grasp on who could be skum, it is highly more likely that you shoot town than skum. That removes a town vote for all following days that would of otherwise been there. That removes potentially a Town PR. That removes someone that could of been voted for and then used as VCA. That removes a lot.

So like... this set up is what 3 v 10 right? So that means like a "goooood player" day 1 has (and yes this is arbitrary) but let's say like a "3/8" chance of hitting skum (remove self and remove someone that "must be town").

Especially with a Doctor in play for skum. Brings the whole "was I JKd, was that the JK target, was that the mafia skum target" thing into play... which is just gonna out the JK most the time.

Now all of that is from my POV and I got no idea really how people play and meta and all that, so that obviously is a factor I cannot take into consideration.

Then there is the added value of *not* offing any town, then getting to a more limited field and using the power then with more information.

Like, what is the value on Day 2 lets say, of having two town kills at night when we don't know the next day who killed who? Will it be useful down the road? - yep! Will it be more useful than not having that other town player alive? - nope!

Omg kill it with fire ZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzzzz, get this MU shit out of here please, I can't take it

VOTE: UglyFuck

[AliceK]

Hardclaim Town Vigilante

Well, if you are really Vigilante that is good as you are really unreadable. Maybe you could focus on improving your play?

[Not_Mafia]

Hardclaim Town Vigilante

Well, if you are really Vigilante that is good as you are really unreadable. Maybe you could focus on improving your play?

Maybe you could focus on your ability to read me

[AliceK]

Okay let's no lim

VOTE: No Lim

After all, we are more likey to kill scum than town here

Is this a joke?

I think he was sarcastic.

[AliceK]

Hardclaim Town Vigilante

Well, if you are really Vigilante that is good as you are really unreadable. Maybe you could focus on improving your play?

Maybe you could focus on your ability to read me

I really try, but a lot of people have the same problem so I think issue is not on my side.

[AliceK]

I think UglyDuck is Town, he is pushing a controversial opinion (not shooting, not liming as well?) which he should know could open him for attacks. I don't think as scum he would draw attention to himself like that.

[Not_Mafia]

I think UglyDuck is Town, he is pushing a controversial opinion (not shooting, not liming as well?) which he should know could open him for attacks. I don't think as scum he would draw attention to himself like that.

Makes a good vig kill though, I'll start having my shot directed N2

[Dwlee99]

2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.

I haven't checked but there could be easily be players in this game younger than this topic.

I know right

Also people aren't playing this game what a shame

[fua]

I’m contributing my fair share. Don’t look at me.