Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Tanner]

does "solid" mean "towny" or is it more like "A for effort"?

[Iconeum]

does "solid" mean "towny" or is it more like "A for effort"?

towny

[Iconeum]

townie, with an outside shot of you both being scum :p

[Uncrowned]

Bell is pingy as well

Easily given townreads, refusal to engage when called out

bell had like 3 town and 1 scumread after 22 posts (total ingame posts this entire game had at that time)

these two were my thoughts pre much

and the little shot at RQS being scummy. idk if that was a joke or not but i generally think the same

[Iconeum]

the first time i saw RQS in action was, IIRC, in a newbie game and they were scum. If Datisi were here i'm sure they could just provide the game and number but yeah. I can't.

[Mr Sandman]

Dunstral's scum btw.

I would like to know if this is a serious scumread.

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On Hiraki and Bell

I don't really wanna engage on it. It feels like it will just result in a derail and suck up all the oxygen imo.
It might be good for you, but honestly, it isn't if you;re town so this feels like the right move from my perspective.

I initially thought this seemed like a towny thing to do -- to avoid a large conflict. However, I'm actually not sure it's as well-motivated as I believed. Take this:

Sorry, could you explain your point more clearly, I don't see where I picked a fight with Hiraki?
They voted me, I let them know that they voted wrong. If anything, i'm doing it so that they don't have the blood of the innocent on their hands if they're town.

Bell tries to frame his conflict with Hiraki as something not caused by him. But it seems that based on posts such as

lol.

Wow,
you uh.
You suck at this.

Bell is being at least somewhat inflammatory. Therefore, I'm not sure his comments about not wanting to engage come from a town reasoning. Instead, I think he may not want to engage in conflict because it will bring more attention to him, and this seems especially dangerous from a player like Hiraki who has already said that he more often than not is able to find mafia on D1.

VOTE: Bell

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Hello, all. I've come over from the artofproblemsolving forums as a few of us have been trying out the games here and have reported back positive things. Normally, we begin with some RQS, and so I'd like to propose that approach here to get things rolling:

1. What is your mafia experience like?
2. Do you prefer playing as mafia or as town?
3. How would you rate your scumhunting ability?

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My own answers:

1. I've played in the region of 10 games.
2. I enjoy both for different reasons. For me, playing as town is more about solid logical play, whereas playing scum is more about emotional awareness.
3. Distinctly average. I think I often manage to identify one scum, sometimes two, but rarely an entire team by myself.

1. Absolutely terrible. I fucking hate this game.
2. Yes
3. What

is

scumhunting? How does one

define

scumhunting?

Do I scumread RQS? Why yes, yes I do.

I am curious, Iconeum, about why you answered my RQS? Do you think that RQS is pointless?

Bell is pingy as well

Easily given townreads, refusal to engage when called out

bell had like 3 town and 1 scumread after 22 posts (total ingame posts this entire game had at that time)

these two were my thoughts pre much

and the little shot at RQS being scummy. idk if that was a joke or not but i generally think the same

The same question to you, Uncrowned. Do you think RQS is pointless?

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To Tanner, Gún, and Rosé, is there any reason you didn't answer the RQS?

[Mr Sandman]

My apologies, I realise I failed to answer the counter-question from Iconeum on point 3. I would define scumhunting as the ability to identify and vote for scum. If you are consistently able to do this, whatever your methods, you are good at scumhunting. If you are not able to, then you have poor scumhunting skills.

[Iconeum]

hey mr sandman

[Iconeum]

bring me a dream

[Iconeum]

I am curious, Iconeum, about why you answered my RQS? Do you think that RQS is pointless?

it being pointless or not depends on what *you* do with it

but in general, yeah. Not a great fan. Lucky for you, I felt like answering it.

Can you make it the cutest that I have ever seen?

[Mr Sandman]

♪

You're the cutest thing I've ever seen

♫

[Iconeum]

*tun tun tun tun*

[Dunnstral]

Bell is being at least somewhat inflammatory. Therefore, I'm not sure his comments about not wanting to engage come from a town reasoning. Instead, I think he may not want to engage in conflict because it will bring more attention to him, and this seems especially dangerous from a player like Hiraki who has already said that he more often than not is able to find mafia on D1.

If he didn't want attention on him, he'd post less, surely

[Mr Sandman]

I asked because it seemed strange for you to at once dismiss it as scummy (in which case, it's a pointless tool) and yet to answer it at the same time (which would imply you think it has some utility).

I think one useful thing it's given us so far is that Bell described himself as not being very strong as scumhunting in his answer to point 3, but he seems to have been surprisingly confident in the reads he's given out so far. Particularly, if his read on Dunnstral was not a joke that's a strong incongruence.

[Mr Sandman]

Bell is being at least somewhat inflammatory. Therefore, I'm not sure his comments about not wanting to engage come from a town reasoning. Instead, I think he may not want to engage in conflict because it will bring more attention to him, and this seems especially dangerous from a player like Hiraki who has already said that he more often than not is able to find mafia on D1.

If he didn't want attention on him, he'd post less, surely

My point is more: I think we can reasonably expect that scum do not want to remain in the shadows all game because there's too much risk to being eliminated for not being seen to do very much. Therefore, there is a motivation to post and to try to appear as town. However, if you draw the ire of another player, you may not want negative attention focused on you and so you try to withdraw from things in the hope that new conflicts will emerge elsewhere.

[Iconeum]

this discussion about bell is actually making me lean town there

[Iconeum]

there's no real point for scum to make 4 reads on page 1, because they know they will have to alter them. It's asking for trouble. While it did ping me, I don't think scum are coming out like this with reads on page 1.

[Uncrowned]

The same question to you, Uncrowned. Do you think RQS is pointless?

eh I wouldn't say it's "pointless" but I do think it can kind of lead the game into a weird state of just answering questions and having this information that you can't really do anything with at the time of the RQS happening?

whereas with RVS you can generally get into the game rather quickly and find some stuff you see that can actually be deemed as AI

[Hiraki]

1. Said you were bad at this, i.e., that you were bad at reading town for town, because I told you the truth and you voted me for it. Which means you either didn't interpret me correctly or are scum.

no - you said

Wow,
you uh.
You suck at this.

so don't dodge the point here - you were/are being a prick

as for refusal to engage, that also struck me as an ~odd~ thing town does more often than scum - stepping down before it turns into a shitfight *and* risking the obvious accusation of running away and refusing to engage.

i don't see the point of playing probabilities here

tho i suppose you could argue that it isn't beneficial for scum to be sticking to reads at all like that, thus its more likely to come from town

but now after tanner's post, you have two abnormalities from town posting that are forced actions (i.e. there's no way that they can be done without intention) and that are anti-town. is the idea here that bell is so anti-town that he's town? i won't buy it and in a game where multiple people are going to shoot tonight, i don't want to play that
game

i agree with 92 - i also just answered RQS for fun but i disagree with ico that it's scummy if sandman doesn't do anything with it. not really worth talking about more than that though.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Gun

I like their style

[Tanner]

To Tanner, Gún, and Rosé, is there any reason you didn't answer the RQS?

for now let's say i didn't feel like it.

@sandman, do you believe that someone being rude is AI (scum!indicative in this case)? i get the feeling that part of your scumread on bell is the read that he doesn't want to appear too in the background, but as soon as there's any attention on him he backs down. on second thought, do you think that's likely scum behaviour? i can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems like an... odd scum!mindset?

as for refusal to engage, that also struck me as an ~odd~ thing town does more often than scum - stepping down before it turns into a shitfight *and* risking the obvious accusation of running away and refusing to engage.

i don't see the point of playing probabilities here

er, have i been playing the game wrong all this time? isn't the whole point seeing whose behaviour is more or less likely to come from certain alignment? (as i type this out, i feel like it sounds sarcastic, but i didn't intent it to be and don't know how to word it otherwise.)

tho i suppose you could argue that it isn't beneficial for scum to be sticking to reads at all like that, thus its more likely to come from town

but now after tanner's post, you have two abnormalities from town posting that are forced actions (i.e. there's no way that they can be done without intention) and that are anti-town. is the idea here that bell is so anti-town that he's town? i won't buy it and in a game where multiple people are going to shoot tonight, i don't want to play that
game

it's not just being too anti-town that he's town, it's more... things that i feel scum are less likely to do. i feel like you won't like this answer.

[Dunnstral]

To Tanner, Gún, and Rosé, is there any reason you didn't answer the RQS?

[DrippingGoofball]

To Tanner, Gún, and Rosé, is there any reason you didn't answer the RQS?

Probably because they are town and don't feel the need to suck up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Dunstral

[Bell]

roleplayers

UNVOTE: Gun

I like their style

Scum.