Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Klyne]

Spoiler:

Do not make the game about figuring out who the fuck I am, let me have fun and I'll let you have fun THANKS

[MURDERCAT]

Fair enough

[Taly]

what's your take on my response to the official L1 i am at? and to all those who have posted since BM's vote?

I think I'm not clear about what you are asking with the first part of this.
As to the second part, I want Titus/Klyne to work itself out before I comment on it, but I have thoughts there.

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

do you have A definitive answer or jsut "taly may not be town because of RVS wagon itself"?

give me something hehe

I had no read on you up until this point and anyone who pretends they did is lying

ill take your read at face value here but i feel like youre focusing on why the assessments on me so far are invalid rather than creating one yourself.

In fact,

VOTE: Kylne

again, this is sus as hell

if

taly flips red

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the

"if"

condition.
VOTE: PlusJOYED
your stance is unclear and i dont know if that is intentional.

also 68

titus

answered this but ill see if you can find where.

[MURDERCAT]

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

After Kanna's game, no
Maybe I will ask you directly, what do you think your tells are? Because you seemed really solvey as scum still.

[Taly]

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

After Kanna's game, no
Maybe I will ask you directly, what do you think your tells are? Because you seemed really solvey as scum still.

fair, i really went hard for that deepwolf angle.

I really don't like to give self-meta, especially during games, I feel like it can easily be turned into me manipulating your perception of my slot, whether I do that subconsciously or not. Plus, I have a MASSIVE tonal range as a mafia player, so I can't faithfully tell you that my mental or emotional state is plainly scum or town even if I were sincere upon saying it.

Few people onsite has ever read me correctly via meta.

So, instead of tells, I'll just give you

factors

that POINT to a likelier alignment that I am

(Because You Asked )

-

Spoiler: yucky self-meta, you have been warned.

Pro-Town Taly

+ More conversational, informal tone, spews a lot more
+ If there are reservation of thoughts, it is for a purpose usually given later
+ Can be very difficult to predict read and POV wise, may actually be a bit convoluted with ideas
+ Focus on avoiding mislims.

NAI Taly

+ GIFs and "showiness"
+ Walls, those unfortunately happen everywhere
+ Usually cares about game cohesion and playstyle usually is oriented to work with players.

+ I do everything possible to get information from others. Regardless of my alignment. I question a lot.

I actually can't tell if vote timing is AI for me.

Anti-Town Taly

+ More stagnant, refined, I keep myself less exposed, and I am less "messy" with every aspect of game.
+ If there is a reservation of thought, it is to gain information to help me adapt to gamestate I can survive in
+ If you

BoP

me, you would likely lay my ass to waste in an argument.
+ The times where I'm actively against mislims as scum, is because I'm playing the long game and have won off towncred from that. Me being correct by itself is not exactly town.

In practice, my

town/scum games

are subtle upon observation, unless you're peak-strength with tone reading.

Which is why I'd rather just link my scum-games instead (Least Relevant to Relevant):

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60966 - First completed mafia game ever. Won as a Serial Killer.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63741 - First groupscum game. Won after I was a planned bus.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - Hardly a game really, but I was in a 41p multiball with tons of vigs...
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 -

Perfect scum victory.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - Was a fucking traitor... UGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHHH... I/my slot always outlasts groupscum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 - A TRAITOR AS A HYDRA. KILL ME.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - 2-in-1... I was town AND scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - 3p I replaced out, but still... very recent tbh.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=82289 - 4p scum hydra >:3
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84987 - Most recent and credible scumgame.

Murdercat

was introduced to me in this game.

ok this post was waaaaay too much effort, bye.

[PlusJOYED]

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the "if" condition

i guess claiming isn't really a thing in this type of game huh.
i prefer to put pressure to see how people act. more pressure gives more info usually though without claiming maybe I'm going about this wrong.
way i see it is you're null leaning scum and killing you will help me ascertain titus greatly. so i see no reason to move

[Taly]

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the "if" condition

i guess claiming isn't really a thing in this type of game huh.
i prefer to put pressure to see how people act. more pressure gives more info usually though without claiming maybe I'm going about this wrong.
way i see it is you're null leaning scum and killing you will help me ascertain titus greatly. so i see no reason to move

so we went from

"im RVS voting

Y

to

X

is likely Scum if

Y

is Scum"

to

"

Y

is null-leaning scum now"

to

"killing

Y

helps me read

X

"

the logical leap in 80 posts from voting a random wagon to justifying it by doubtcasting another player's alignment reads as disingenuous.

but you know, im just fine with leaving this thought here for now.
i prefer to put pressure to see how people act.

[MURDERCAT]

You are the best Taly

Focus on avoiding mislims.

This is close to my strategy which unfortunately tends to be "Focus on miselims"

This kind of tracks with something I noticed and was kind of pointing at in 40 and 41. Like your questions to me didn't really seem to have a purpose? Whereas I felt like in Kanna's game you were more precise in a way (which is the opposite of most players probably). It was weak so I didn't think it was worth commenting on but I thought I would mention it now that this post kind of prompts it. Maybe I will put in enough effort to read the games you linked if we both make it past the first couple of days. (Though I'll probably read the perfect scum win just for fun at some point.)

Anyway I am leaning to a TR on you and leaning to an SR on titus so

VOTE: Titus

[Taly]

<3 eeeee murderkitties

I'm going to be candid about my POV with

Titus

I don't have a strong mechanism of sorting them.

I just have an easy way of understanding them because I've town-hydra'd with them before (cannot go into details to uphold site rules.)

So my biggest way to sort that slot now is to just read, take notes, and don't shelve yet.

[MURDERCAT]

I could be wrong, but based on Death Curse I think that Titus struggles to fake solve as scum like she does when she is town (not that I'm expecting that right now, that's just my overall feeling). I don't feel like I've seen her comment on stuff like tone before?? But like I said lack of experience with her early game etc etc. Also I don't hate voting opposite of Plus right now but I'm getting way too tin foily.

[iamausername]

as others town read klick

Has anyone actually expressed a townread on me? I just looked back and couldn't find anyone.

Most of your posts so far have seemed to me like you're more interested in actively shutting down potential reads than developing reads.

Why is that?

ding ding ding

VOTE: Klyne

[Klyne]

Has subtlety been lost in these times

Maybe I do need to caps lock. Add another 5%

[Klyne]

ill take your read at face value here but i feel like youre focusing on why the assessments on me so far are invalid rather than creating one yourself.

Yes they're invalid shortsighted and likely to come scum who just wanna use someone else's content to gain leverage in the thread

Spilled my tea one second

[Klyne]

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the "if" condition

i guess claiming isn't really a thing in this type of game huh.

i prefer to put pressure to see how people act.

more pressure gives more info usually though without claiming maybe I'm going about this wrong.
way i see it is you're null leaning scum and killing you will help me ascertain titus greatly. so i see no reason to move

Pressure is useless if you tell someone u are pressuring them

Wtf

[Klyne]

Taly can be town because what PlusJOYED is doing right now, he's right in the way he sees it

Other than that I'm lovin my vote on Titus

I might explain if I get another vote

[Marashu]

Hm. Early takes right now: I'm thinking Titus is town. I was townleaning Taly based on reactions to the wagon until I saw the post about meta reads. That one makes me feel apprehensive (though I can at least promise that I will not be reading through those games to fact-check). I'm feeling scum!murdercat is a very real possibility. I'm also getting gut scumpings from Klick, but I also know BM is better than me at finding scum. Klick did have a good point about Klyne, though.

Light TL on Plus. Deas might be scum? So right now I'm feeling {Murdercat, Klick, Klyne, Deas} with one more to find.

UNVOTE:

P-Edit: VOTE: Klyne - now explain your vote.

[clidd]

Reading soon.

[Klyne]

Hm.

Early takes right now

: I'm thinking Titus is town. I was townleaning Taly based on reactions to the wagon until I saw the post about meta reads. That one makes me feel apprehensive

(though I can at least promise that I will not be reading through those games to fact-check

). I'm feeling scum!murdercat is a very real possibility. I'm also getting gut scumpings from Klick,

but I also know BM is better than me at finding scum.

Klick did have a good point about Klyne, though.

Light TL on Plus. Deas might be scum? So right now I'm feeling {Murdercat, Klick, Klyne, Deas} with one more to find.

UNVOTE:

P-Edit: VOTE: Klyne - now explain your vote.

Look at these preexisting justification and backdoors for just one vote. Why are you being so selective in your word choice like you're afraid of having opinions

[Marashu]

Because I hate being wrong.

Now could you explain your vote?

[Klyne]

...What makes your vote on me right then?

[Battle Mage]

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

After Kanna's game, no
Maybe I will ask you directly, what do you think your tells are? Because you seemed really solvey as scum still.

fair, i really went hard for that deepwolf angle.

I really don't like to give self-meta, especially during games, I feel like it can easily be turned into me manipulating your perception of my slot, whether I do that subconsciously or not. Plus, I have a MASSIVE tonal range as a mafia player, so I can't faithfully tell you that my mental or emotional state is plainly scum or town even if I were sincere upon saying it.

Few people onsite has ever read me correctly via meta.

So, instead of tells, I'll just give you

factors

that POINT to a likelier alignment that I am

(Because You Asked )

-

Spoiler: yucky self-meta, you have been warned.

Pro-Town Taly

+ More conversational, informal tone, spews a lot more
+ If there are reservation of thoughts, it is for a purpose usually given later
+ Can be very difficult to predict read and POV wise, may actually be a bit convoluted with ideas
+ Focus on avoiding mislims.

NAI Taly

+ GIFs and "showiness"
+ Walls, those unfortunately happen everywhere
+ Usually cares about game cohesion and playstyle usually is oriented to work with players.

+ I do everything possible to get information from others. Regardless of my alignment. I question a lot.

I actually can't tell if vote timing is AI for me.

Anti-Town Taly

+ More stagnant, refined, I keep myself less exposed, and I am less "messy" with every aspect of game.
+ If there is a reservation of thought, it is to gain information to help me adapt to gamestate I can survive in
+ If you

BoP

me, you would likely lay my ass to waste in an argument.
+ The times where I'm actively against mislims as scum, is because I'm playing the long game and have won off towncred from that. Me being correct by itself is not exactly town.

In practice, my

town/scum games

are subtle upon observation, unless you're peak-strength with tone reading.

Which is why I'd rather just link my scum-games instead (Least Relevant to Relevant):

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60966 - First completed mafia game ever. Won as a Serial Killer.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63741 - First groupscum game. Won after I was a planned bus.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - Hardly a game really, but I was in a 41p multiball with tons of vigs...
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 -

Perfect scum victory.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - Was a fucking traitor... UGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHHH... I/my slot always outlasts groupscum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 - A TRAITOR AS A HYDRA. KILL ME.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - 2-in-1... I was town AND scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - 3p I replaced out, but still... very recent tbh.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=82289 - 4p scum hydra >:3
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84987 - Most recent and credible scumgame.

Murdercat

was introduced to me in this game.

ok

this post was waaaaay too much effort

, bye.

it was, my Taly-vote stands.

[Klyne]

Ah fuck I gotta chill out, ther'es too much tea being spilled!!!
Fuck fukccufku














Fuck

[Marashu]

Besides you having a decent chance at being scum? You have a vote on someone I'm TRing, and promised an explanation if you got another vote. So there's your vote.

Oh wait. I think I misunderstood and thought you meant another vote on yourself and not another vote on Titus. Hm.

[MURDERCAT]

Save this for later if you want to do you interaction with Klyne more first, but at some point can you give some detail about your Titus TR?

[Klyne]

Yeah sorry I hit 50% from your post alone, I'm chill now

I really do feel that way though

Was telling myself for a minute

"Am I wrong for feeling like there's a good amount of scum posting right now ITT"

and then my answer turned into no there's 5 of them