[CHALLENGE] August Challenge
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Submissions:
Spoiler: TemporalLich - Matrix of Ideas
Spoiler: callforjudgement - Matrix Elimination
Spoiler: Not Known 15 - The Tower
Spoiler: Isis - Ever Settle
Spoiler: Ircher - Mafia Transformations
Spoiler: Something_Smart - Dormitory Mafia
Spoiler: ceejayvinoya - Scanners
Spoiler: Kerset - Matrix ConspiracyIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Something_Smart - Dormitory Mafia
callforjudgement - Matrix Elimination
TemporalLich - Matrix of Ideas
ceejayvinoya - Scanners
Not Known 15 - The Tower
Isis - Ever Settle
Ircher - Matrix Transformations
Kerset - Matrix ConspiracyIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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TemporalLich Grand Scheme
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TL's Matrix of Ideas- An Idea setup? Man, I must be dreaming... Oh wait that's my setup.
Something_Smart's Dormitory Mafia- This seems like a very interesting and fun setup.
CfJ's Matrix Elimination- A fairly decent setup that has resisted my attempts to break it.
ceejay's Scanners- Seems like an okay setup.
NK15's The Tower- While this setup looks fun, it seems verbose. The tower seems useless as the Mafia would intentionally have to move through the tower to be seen by the tower, though this can avoid player detection maybe. The Wanderer is actually a pretty strong power role because of it's relocation and passive detection, but it's easily confirmable.
Ircher's Mafia Transformations- ... do any of these transformations actually change who you're able to target?!
Isis's Ever Settle- 75% chance of moves failing? No way dude.
Kerset's Matrix Conspiracy- Man it must suck rolling the confirmed scum [2,2] position. Besides, this setup seems to be more of a logic puzzle than actual Mafia. I'm pretty sure this is broken as well.time will end-
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ceejayvinoya he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Just by eyeballing it, assuming Isis's vote was for me > everyone and cfj will vote for themself > everyone, it's currently a tie between me and cfj.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Isis she/her, not theyBest in Classshe/her, not they
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Yeah that's my ballot"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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callforjudgement: I still like my idea here.
Not Known 15: I'm not sure whether this is balanced, and it could probably do with polishing, but I actually really like the basic mechanic where Mafia have to physically move to do the kill and town can hear them doing it. I wonder if it's possible to make use of a similar mechanic in a simpler setup.
ceejayvinoya: The matrix actually hardly matters in this setup (the actual arrangement into a matrix is mathematically irrelevant – you could simply just use 9 different rooms with no arrangement – and in many cases there will be a coordinate massclaim anyway). Town can get some advantages by identifying null players, and forcing them to coordinate claim so that the cop can find them. The Scanner doesn't do much, being mostly only useful for finding the Mafia who's on the same square as a townie who scanned as scum. This is, however, one of the few setups listed here that could be run in its stated form, while being likely to be balanced if broken correctly.
TemporalLich: Somehow I doubt a setup like this will ever be able to receive enough playtesting to balance it correctly, but that's inherent in most Idea setups. I'm not sure I see much of an advantage over the typical Idea designs; the matrix gives extra complexity but I don't think that complexity for the sake of complexity is particularly worth it.
Something_Smart: Town can leash the initial pairing phase to try to force scum onto the right-hand side of the matrix (at the risk of opposing the RA). This has the potential to leave most of the town out of range of nightkills. I'm not sure if it's broken, but after looking at this a bit more, the move-in phase is likely to require huge amounts of strategising and may have the majority of the gameplay there; I'm not sure if this is desirable, and even if it is, it needs a longer deadline.
Ircher: The matrix transformations do absolutely nothing; every possible choice is mathematically equivalent, because the setup is effectively on a 3×3 torus and all those transformations are symmetries of a torus.
Isis: Too much randomness in the setup (some cards are more valuable than others, and a 75% chance for night actions to fail makes strategising almost impossible, which is especially bad as the primary reason to move would be on the basis of discussions amongst the town).
Kerset: I don't think this is broken in the "100% town EV" sense. It is, however, broken in various other ways, e.g. one player is confirmed right from the start and doesn't get to play; they'll just troll or lurk out. I am also generally suspicious of setups with an EV above 50% (e.g. picking [1,0] for the D1 elimination has a 1 in 3 chance of instant loss and a 2 in 3 chance of instant win).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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T-Bone wants the next challenge to get started asap and when I asked him to break the tie he just proxied his vote to me
So I'll get the next challenge up soon. I'll also make a topic for my setup so we can try to work out the remaining issues.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Isis she/her, not theyBest in Classshe/her, not they
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Dung beetle and the castle setup are both better tho"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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We can work on dung beetle too, I'll draft up a new version with the changes I was talking about.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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