In post 74, Bitmap wrote:I didn't know about textbook tells till recently.
Well you're two months younger than Dannflor in site years.
“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
Even though I’ve been badly bruised, living in a house to become a popular muse.”
@OmNom - I'll be honest, I don't understand your thinking OmNom. Can you dumb it down for me and summerize your "case"? I feel like one of us is twisting the others words, and I would love a summary so I can respond respectively.
Some reads:
DJD - town ( I like his thinking, seems clean and to the point. Confident town read right here )
reverend - scum ( Don't have to expand here I feel )
venrob - null / MAYBE scum ( Completely null, but possible scum through association with reverend )
omnom - null ( Not the usual loud and random omnom i know when he plays town, but I've seen him change his playstyle in multiple games, so I want to determine this alignment in the near future after more has been said )
Bitmap - leaning town ( I actually believe this is Bitmap's usual sloppy styled playstyle he tends to have as town )
dann - leaning scum ( agree with what has been said so far about him )
melmond - null
hyperion - null
johhnyfarrar - null
mcstab - null
greygnarl - null
cheery dog - town ( Much like DJD, except I have a larger gut feeling here than observational )
Moral of the story? There's a bunch of players that have either done little to nothing or just haven't talked enough to make a considerable read on them, which is why they don't have a comment with them, cause I can't make one.
DJD and Cheery are pretty obvious town to me, while Reverend, Dann, and maybe Venrob are all people I suspect to some degree, with all of the people i listed as null I am keeping an eye on until I make a solid read on them.
I swear I'm trying my best
--Expect me to be V/LA from 10am-7pm PST every Mon, Wed, Thurs, Sat, Sun due to work--
Actually I've only played like two or three games on this site, but I have a year of experience on another site that always had night starts, so I'm still getting used to RVS. And yes I know about textbook tells.
Bitmap wrote:Someone call me scummy so I can feel more motivated.
This post has scum motivation behind it, it's like you want to be accused of something crap so you can gain town points for a good defence.
VOTE: Bitmap
(did I do it right?)
Agreed. If your town, you shouldn't strain to try and get brownie points.
In post 56, TheReverend wrote:venmar, you claimed to end RVS. Did you think my vote on you was a joke?
dann - complaining when an RVS wagon gets to L-2 before he shows up is not pro-town? What planet are you on? I won't add to an RVS wagon once it hits L-3 because it's not pro town to put so much pressure on someone without and basis. Thus, my actions were indeed pro town.
Unvote:
I guess your right that I didn't quite take a full look at the situation. However I do want to know one thing, what is your read on Ven? The ven you tried to "protect"?
Both. Im obvious town after making five posts to someone that has no meta with me? Inconceivable! Also yes, a reads list at this point is super silly and i read it as being a kneejerk scum defense to om's pressure.
Basically my case on Venmar is that his initial attack on Reverend looks like he's grasping at straws and he doesn't really fully explain why it's scummy until actually pressured for answers. His comment about ending RVS seems like a weak attempt to get townie points. His choice to discredit my initial attack on him instead of explaining himself or pressing me for an answer looks like a kneejerk scum reaction to try and get the attention on me instead. His constant discrediting of the rest of my attacks are baseless and he hasn't provided a reason for why they are "dumb" except that they're attacks on town, which from anybody's point of view can't be 100% confirmable.
“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
Even though I’ve been badly bruised, living in a house to become a popular muse.”
In post 78, Dannflor wrote:Agreed. If your town, you shouldn't strain to try and get brownie points.
That's odd, because I don't actually believe it has that much scum motivation behind his post, I actually find it null because some town to get motivated by being pressured. (and I find that the case for myself as well if I'm low on motivation for a game) It seemed like something better to comment on than his continuation of RVS with voting you for being 4th or somewhere on the wagon.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Dannflor
Holder of the Longest Continuous Weekly Mafiascum Post Record. 1 July 2012 - 16 Feb 2023
*It may be held by someone else if you discount the major downtime in 2012 and 2014, I'm not doing the research.
In post 60, Om of the Nom wrote:Are you claiming to know he's town?
Thinking he's town doesn't make his defenses valid, they're only valid if you know he's town. Think from my point of view. I don't know he's town, so why are his defenses still valid?
This post really feels like mason fishing to me. Just the way he writes it really makes it seem like he wants cheery to make a slip. VOTE: om nom
Well, at least I shall die as I have lived. Completely surrounded by morons.
I honestly forgot we were playing Masons and Mafia lol, I was treating this like normal mafia. I meant it more as a rhetorical question anyway, as if someone would outright claim to know %100 percent that someone else is town.
“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
Even though I’ve been badly bruised, living in a house to become a popular muse.”
In post 85, Om of the Nom wrote:I honestly forgot we were playing Masons and Mafia lol, I was treating this like normal mafia. I meant it more as a rhetorical question anyway, as if someone would outright claim to know %100 percent that someone else is town.
Something is off about this statement to me. It just sounds to me like Om would play this very differently if he'd remembered (I get that he's using this to defend himself, I get why he said it, I just feel weird about how it came across to me) it's Masons and Mafia; the whole tone implies to me that he has a special role. I'm not going to elaborate on the possibility of masonry and I don't think anyone should at this point, but I could definitely see Om being scum (as much as four pages in hunches are worth at least). Coupled with the mason fishing and quick apology, I really don't trust Om right now.
Vote: Om
Everything else so far hasn't really set any alarm bells of for me yet, except maybe some of the later votes on Venrob.
In post 85, Om of the Nom wrote:I honestly forgot we were playing Masons and Mafia lol, I was treating this like normal mafia. I meant it more as a rhetorical question anyway, as if someone would outright claim to know %100 percent that someone else is town.
Something is off about this statement to me. It just sounds to me like Om would play this very differently if he'd remembered (I get that he's using this to defend himself, I get why he said it, I just feel weird about how it came across to me) it's Masons and Mafia; the whole tone implies to me that he has a special role. I'm not going to elaborate on the possibility of masonry and I don't think anyone should at this point, but I could definitely see Om being scum (as much as four pages in hunches are worth at least). Coupled with the mason fishing and quick apology, I really don't trust Om right now.
Vote: Om
Everything else so far hasn't really set any alarm bells of for me yet, except maybe some of the later votes on Venrob.
In post 78, Dannflor wrote:Agreed. If your town, you shouldn't strain to try and get brownie points.
That's odd, because I don't actually believe it has that much scum motivation behind his post, I actually find it null because some town to get motivated by being pressured. (and I find that the case for myself as well if I'm low on motivation for a game) It seemed like something better to comment on than his continuation of RVS with voting you for being 4th or somewhere on the wagon.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Dannflor
K... Well it seemed odd to me. If you're town you shouldn't need to strain to get brownie points and do things to attempt to "look" town, if your scum you need to worry about these things to be considered a town player.
That's obviously why Rev is town. It's not that I don't think that scum would use an ongoing game for reasoning for a player they already know the alignment of.
In post 77, Venmar wrote:reverend - scum ( Don't have to expand here I feel )
Erm, yes you do have to expand. You just pointed your finger at me for moaning about an RVS wagon getting to L-2 almost immediately, and you're refusing to budge. I don't care if you want to accuse me of being scum, but the least you can do is explain why you still feel I'm scum. So, expand please.
