Open 213 -- Mini Love (Over)

[DarkLightA]

How about we

scumhunt

and stop trying to break the setup?

Sure.

QUESTIONS!! JUST TO GET DISCUSSION STARTING!!!!

@All: Are you scum?
@All: Are you town?

Nah....

I'd like everyone to answer this:

Do you think we'd be better off with all the lover pairs dead?

As in, would we be better off like this:

Case 1

Goon
Goon
Lovers: Goon

+

Townie
Lovers: Townie + Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Doctor

Or like this:

Case 2

Goon
Goon
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Doctor

I'll start: I think we're better off in case 2.

So, current list:

• Nikanor
  
• Yankee
  
• TheLoneWolf
  
• Looker
  
• Henry Hathaway
  
• Robocopter87
  
• XScorpion
  
• ksen
  
• DoItRiley
  
• DarkLightA - Case 2
  
• Chronopie
  
• easjo682

[DarkLightA]

Darn it, failed the townie colours

[Robocopter87]

^^^I just realized that.
I was like, wait, I'm in that game, so thatsss why I'm reading it!
Sorry

Heres my thoughts,
I don't think I understand the whole claiming thing very well, but I don't think its a good idea. We really don't have to break the setup, its already broken for us. We have 2 Goons, 1 treacherous Mafia, 3 Lovers, 1 doc and 5 town. We should just lynch who we think is A goon or treacherous Lover. I think that by calling for a claim wouldn't be good. Also, I dislike DoItRileys posts. DLA was trying to think of a way to takedown the treacherous lover and DoItRiley really didn't help. I'm not sure wether DLA's setup expirements was good or not but the way DoItRiley treated them wasn't good.
Is it Okey day if I post who I think is town and who I think is scum?

Also, I will warn you, I like jokes.

I will vote DoItRiley but I gotta check I don't hammer or nuthin dumb like dat.

[Yankee]

Also I just noticed something in post sixty three. You say the treacherous lover most likely doesn't know he is treacherous. On what do you base this since the role pms were posted in this thread for each role.... Very interesting. And I have a suspicion of Nik but idk of I can say why without breaking the rule of talking about other games...

[Robocopter87]

^^^Wouldn't that be a sign that he isn't the treacherous lover? I mean, I'm not basing anything off of it but I would rather get a town than scum notion because of this. If he was the treacherous Lover he would know he knows. Right? Oh, sorry, got distracted I am supposed to be countin votes on DoItRiley.

[Robocopter87]

^^^I just realized that.
I was like, wait, I'm in that game, so thatsss why I'm reading it!
Sorry

Heres my thoughts,
I don't think I understand the whole claiming thing very well, but I don't think its a good idea. We really don't have to break the setup, its already broken for us. We have 2 Goons, 1 treacherous Mafia, 3 Lovers, 1 doc and 5 town. We should just lynch who we think is A goon or treacherous Lover. I think that by calling for a claim wouldn't be good. Also, I dislike DoItRileys posts. DLA was trying to think of a way to takedown the treacherous lover and DoItRiley really didn't help. I'm not sure wether DLA's setup expirements was good or not but the way DoItRiley treated them wasn't good.
Is it Okey day if I post who I think is town and who I think is scum?

Also, I will warn you, I like jokes.

I will vote DoItRiley but I gotta check I don't hammer or nuthin dumb like dat.

Sorry but that was for Yankee telling me I'm an active lurker.

[Nikanor]

I'd like everyone to answer this: Do you think we'd be better off with all the lover pairs dead?

No. Why are you pushing for a lovers claim and lynch if you think case two is the better one? Actually, I should probably first ask to be sure: are you pushing for a lovers claim and lynch?

Yankee: We're not in any ongoing games together... I think. Are you reading my games or something?

[Robocopter87]

Alright,

Vote, DoItRiley

He has 3 votes now I think.

[XScorpion]

I think Case 2 is better, but you can't guarantee that we can reach that situation.
Also why are you avoiding scumhunting?

[DarkLightA]

Also I just noticed something in post sixty three. You say the treacherous lover most likely doesn't know he is treacherous. On what do you base this since the role pms were posted in this thread for each role.... Very interesting. And I have a suspicion of Nik but idk of I can say why without breaking the rule of talking about other games...

He said that the townie in the treacherous pair doesn't know the partner's scum.

the lover who is paired with Treacherous lover is unlikely to know that he is the treacherous lover.

Pretty clear to me.

No. Why are you pushing for a lovers claim and lynch if you think case two is the better one? Actually, I should probably first ask to be sure: are you pushing for a lovers claim and lynch?

It's based on Riley's comment, that scum would kill off the townie lovers and sacrifice the treacherous. I don't know if that's true though....

I think Case 2 is better, but you can't guarantee that we can reach that situation.

Either that, or we have a situation where if the town pair is killed we know the other, still living pair is scum.

Also why are you avoiding scumhunting?

I'm lolling at how you're copying everything everyone else says...
I'm finishing this first, but I'm hunting at the same time. Right now Riley and you are flashing red on my scumdar, and my gut has an odd tendency to be right.

[XScorpion]

Either that, or we have a situation where if the town pair is killed we know the other, still living pair is scum.

So you think it's worth trading FIVE townies just to nail the treacherous lover?

I'm lolling at how you're copying everything everyone else says...

I'm lolling how you didn't say anything when I accused you of this the first time in post 46.
The only reason you think we are scum is because we know your "plan" is completely idiotic and you don't agree with us. Am I right?

[Yankee]

Those Opposed to Claiming Lovers:

XScorpion
Robocopter87
DoItRiley
Chronopie
Easjo682

Those For Claiming Lovers:

DarkLightA
Yankee

Those Unknown/Other:

Nikanor
TheLoneWolf
Looker (Inactive?)
Henry Hathaway (Inactive)
Ksen (Inactive)

I would like to hear more from Nikanor and TheLoneWolf about where they stand in claiming lovers and why it would be bad/good. I am not saying claiming both lovers, I am saying 1 from each set, And I am also not saying we lynch them today, but having them there as a known. It would be nice to also hear from the inactives...

[Nikanor]

I say that the lovers don't claim unless they're run up. And even then, only the one we want to lynch should claim.

[Yankee]

Ok, so I didnt realize we could discuss already concluded games. Everyone should read the beginning of this game at least. In this game Nikanor was one of the main supporters of a pro-lover claim and that claiming turned out great for the town in that game. Me and Nik were both town that game, and I was a lover (I lived to endgame) so it is suspicious to me that Nik would seem to be against lover claiming this game when in the previous game that claiming worked great he was a strong supporter. That is what my suspicion of Nikanor is.

[Yankee]

And to Nik - The reason "Breaking the setup" is a good scumhunting tool is that it gives you peoples true opinions on the matter since there is alot at stake to them. And it makes it easier to spot similarities. It seems an effective scum hunting tool to me, but maybe not to everyone.

[Yankee]

I say that the lovers don't claim unless they're run up. And even then, only the one we want to lynch should claim.

One problem with this: If we corner a Mafia goon who is not a lover he could claim he is a lover and there would be no way to counterclaim him and we could miss an opportunity to lynch a goon. All claiming must be done now before we corner someone so there is no escape route.

[Nikanor]

I'm probably having bad memories of that game from when ani claimed to be Khamisa's lover.
Anyway, I don't want the lovers to claim because I don't feel great about our chances of lynching the scum lover on day one. Mislynching the lovers today leaves us in a very bad position on day three, where we'll have only one day of vote count analysis to go through (day two vote counts will be useless, as everyone will just pile on the scumlover). If I recall correctly, the only reason for why we even lynched Khamisa over you and Honcho was because ani claimed to be Khamisa's lover. If we had lynched you guys, that game would have gone very differently, and I think we would have lynched you if Looker had claimed to be the lover instead of ani.

Basically, I've re-evaluated my view on this since then.

[Nikanor]

One problem with this: If we corner a Mafia goon who is not a lover he could claim he is a lover and there would be no way to counterclaim him and we could miss an opportunity to lynch a goon. All claiming must be done now before we corner someone so there is no escape route.

Until we get to lylo and he's forced to claim a lover, of course. Then he's screwed, unless he wants to risk his buddy in his fakeclaim.

[Yankee]

I dont see how we would be in any worse position then if we lynch non lovers. at least this way we are gaurunteed to hit a scum, and I dont know the percentages of hitting scum without lynching lovers but I dont think there will be much difference. Anyways, I am not going to give you a choice anyways. I am claiming Lover, I will not claim who my lover is, but I am going to ask that one person from the other lover set to claim, just one please....

[Yankee]

by the way, the reason I do what I do above is because I do NOT want an easy out for the mafia when the time comes and we corner them. Plus, I think it is a good idea overall and will work in our favor in the end.

[Nikanor]

Oh jeez. You're a lover again? >_>

[Yankee]

yep, i was shocked too. lol

[Yankee]

nothing to say about my claim?

[DoItRiley]

Case 1

Goon
Goon
Lovers: Goon

+

Townie
Lovers: Townie + Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Doctor

Or like this:

Case 2

Goon
Goon
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Doctor

Oh. My God. You have SERIOUS issues counting.

I don't think I understand the whole claiming thing very well, but I don't think its a good idea. We really don't have to break the setup, its already broken for us. We have 2 Goons, 1 treacherous Mafia, 3 Lovers, 1 doc and 5 town. We should just lynch who we think is A goon or treacherous Lover. I think that by calling for a claim wouldn't be good. Also, I dislike DoItRileys posts. DLA was trying to think of a way to takedown the treacherous lover and DoItRiley really didn't help. I'm not sure wether DLA's setup expirements was good or not but the way DoItRiley treated them wasn't good.

If you expect me to applaud something that I think was crap you're seriously mistaken.

And oh jeez...here we go. Now that Yankee's started it with most of the active players opposing it I guess we can't back down now.

[Yankee]

I am very suspicious of you at the moment DoItRiley for your very last sentence. You seem like you are trying to overstate your opinion of the matter, even after there is no reason to state your opinion because the decision is made. I dont see why you would do this unless you are trying to act town on purpose.