Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

[JasonWazza]

Anyone that plays with creature, is he just another SnarkySnowman?

Because that is how he seems to me.

[Persivul]

Anyone that plays with creature, is he just another SnarkySnowman?

Because that is how he seems to me.

According to his profile he's 14 - he's just a kid screwing around. I try to avoid him but he seems to sign up for a lot of the games offered.

[Creature]

The difference is that I play to win, but I also play to have fun.

[Persivul]

The difference is that I play to win, but I also play to have fun.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with the first part, mmkay?

[Creature]

I'm not playing to win because I'm not wagoning Pine?

[Persivul]

I'm not playing to win because I'm not wagoning Pine?

Must you repeat this non sequitur? You tried it once already.

[Pine]

I don't see Pine claiming semi-BP as scum.

Why not? What are the town motivations for the claim?

I've given my reasons.

What are the scum motivations? Who would I be protecting myself from?

[Pine]

Asking what the Town motivation for such an action is without considering scum motivations is both classic strawman argument and false dichotomy btw. You're inventing a one-sided argument that you can defeat in detail without regard to other implications, and you're also creating a Town/not Town dichotomy which isn't real. You're failing to consider the whole range of options. In addition to Town/Scum, there's also NAI, human error, Scum-pretending-Town, Town misreading the situation, and half a dozen interpretive variants.

There's no real reason for that claim as scum, unless I'm scum trying to look like a Town error. Doesn't stand up to Occam.

[Persivul]

I've given my reasons.

Yes, and they're bad - but I'm asking Creature.

What are the scum motivations? Who would I be protecting myself from?

As previously noted, a scum motivation is to establish a reason for not being NK'd.

[Pine]

Think: What does the semi-BP claim get me?

That's a much more incisive question.

Jason, this is qhy your questions were bullshit. They don't speak to motive or reasoning, they spoke to process and method under the guise of mindset, while not actually providing either. The initial softclaim was an

error

, one which I shouldn't have made regardless of alignment. I'm just trying to clean up my mess and not lose Town a PR at this point.

PEdit: Bullshit. The reason is to not GET night killed. If I wanted to explain after the fact, I'd claim later, not needlessly complicate things now.

[culted]

Pine, why are you townreading kuror?

[Persivul]

Asking what the Town motivation for such an action is without considering scum motivations is both classic strawman argument and false dichotomy btw.

Not considering scum motivations? Scum motivation was given in 457 and repeated in 474.

Why are you misrepping me?

[Pine]

Pine, why are you townreading kuror?

It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.

PEdit: I'm not misrepping you, I don't think it's valid. Why the fuck would I do that?

[Creature]

I think you misunderstood, I said I don't see why scum would claim semi-BP.

It wasn't the best thing for town to do, but I don't think it's scum motivation.

[Persivul]

PEdit: I'm not misrepping you, I don't think it's valid. Why the fuck would I do that?

You said scum motivation wasn't being considered, and a one-sided argument was being created.

Now you say that scum motivation has been considered, but you don't think it's valid.

You misrepped me. Now you're changing your story - as you've done on other issues.

[Pine]

Scum motivation has not been

fairly

considered, from my perspective. I find your reasoning to be utter nonsense that does not hold up to Occam, nor does it actually provide the protection you're talking about. Scum just doesn't do that.

The absence of an adverb does not misrepresentation make.

[Persivul]

I think you misunderstood, I said I don't see why scum would claim semi-BP.

That's already been explained. A townie with an item is an obvious target for scum's NK. If Pine is scum, he expects (barring factors which we don't know yet, like vig or SK) to be alive tomorrow. By putting out a BP claim, he proactively explains that.

It wasn't the best thing for town to do, but I don't think it's scum motivation.

Not the best thing is a big understatement. Hell, if I were in the position he painted I'd be way excited, as I'd have a good chance of wasting a scum kill. Sure, there's the possibility of a roleblocker or strongman, but if you keep your mouth shut, the likelihood of being targeted by those is small.

[culted]

Pine, why are you townreading kuror?

It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.

I can't tell if you're hopelessly tunneled on persi so you can't see how scummy his case on him was or if you're just scum.

Go back and read it and tell me it doesn't look not a lot like gamesolving but let's find reasons to scumread this guy.

Would you vote dreal?

[Creature]

I think you misunderstood, I said I don't see why scum would claim semi-BP.

That's already been explained. A townie with an item is an obvious target for scum's NK. If Pine is scum, he expects (barring factors which we don't know yet, like vig or SK) to be alive tomorrow. By putting out a BP claim, he proactively explains that.

It wasn't the best thing for town to do, but I don't think it's scum motivation.

Not the best thing is a big understatement. Hell, if I were in the position he painted I'd be way excited, as I'd have a good chance of wasting a scum kill. Sure, there's the possibility of a roleblocker or strongman, but if you keep your mouth shut, the likelihood of being targeted by those is small.

Though, I think I know why he claimed it.

[Pine]

Yeah, it was an error. AllI can do is make the best of a bad situation.

Putting out a BP claim hopefully redirects the kill away from me, or if they don't believe it, onto me to be blocked.

The fact that you're ignoring all this shit and tunnelling super hard is making me think you're Town after all, and that's kind of super depressing.

Considering replacing out.

PEdit: I don't really agree with the scumminess of kuror0's case, but meh. I don't necessarily see the case on drealmerz. What's your thoughts on Jason? He looks more motivated to

appear

active than actually

being

productive.

PEdit2: Shut up, Creature. Analyzing anti-scum WIFOM is anti-Town.

[Creature]

culted

Who would you wagon from Dunnstral, Jason, Kuroi and SlySly?

[Persivul]

@ Pine:

(5) Pine - Persivul, SlySly, Shaddowez, KuroiXHF, Dunnstral

If as you say:
- You're town
- I'm scum
- The arguments against you are bad

Then:
- who are the other scums on your wagon?
- why do you think any townies are on it?

[Pine]

Eh dunno. I'm coming around to a Town opinion on you, so it needs more thought. I don't have the time right now.

[Persivul]

Yeah, it was an error. AllI can do is make the best of a bad situation.

But you then went on to say that your role PM hinted there were ways for your heal to be overcome. How was that making the best of a bad situation?

[Creature]

Thought we hunt scum by trying to guess if this is how they act as scum, not how pro-town/anti-town are them.