Mini 1575: Mafia on the Metro (Game Over)

[Quilford]

Let's play a game. When quil flips red I want you all to look back on the moment hr abandoned sns for me just because of activity level, lol. You don't do that crap 18 pages into a game.

Yeah that is not even slightly close to true. Please try again.

[bjc]

Okay.

vote: Quilford

[Quilford]

VOTE: bjc

[bjc]

Oh noes scum #1 voted me, his buddy may put me to L-1!

Off to work, townies don't vote bjc/Dannflor. I would like a tl;dr of why Wolfy is so certain one of me/Nat have to be scum. Is it because of that stupid "SCUM MUST BUS IN LYLO SCUM LYNCH SITUATIONS!!11!" crap?

[Wolfy]

I would like a tl;dr of why Wolfy is so certain one of me/Nat have to be scum.

Me and sns are town.
therefore 2 out of bjc, quil and nati are scum.
ergo at least one of bjc or nati are scum
QED

[Natirasha]

A crossroads.

[snscompt1]

Oh no. This isnt good. Im leaning bjc scum since dannflor was so horrendous but my gut tells me Nat and bjc are both town witb Quil and wolfy as partners.

[bjc]

I would like a tl;dr of why Wolfy is so certain one of me/Nat have to be scum.

Me and sns are town.
therefore 2 out of bjc, quil and nati are scum.
ergo at least one of bjc or nati are scum
QED

My role says, then, that Quil and Nat are town.

So lynch Quil.

Dannflor was horrendous? The fuck? Give me the benefit of the doubt then, tag team with me. Trust me, if my track record shows anything it's a that you can't lose to me as scum.

[Quilford]

My role says, then, that Quil and Nat are

town

.

So lynch Quil.

lol

[Quilford]

thanks for making yourself just a little more obvious with that scumslip there bjc

[Natirasha]

sns, I'm actually looking at Wolfy at the moment too.

[Quilford]

Hey Wolfy, I am interested in from how you went from sns scum to sns town. Because you were going in pretty hard on sns for a bit and now he seems to be your top town read.

[snscompt1]

Cuz Im a herp derpin around.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 5.01

bjc (1) - Quilford
Quilford (1) - bjc

Not Voting (3) - Natirasha, snscompt1, Wolfy

With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, July 18, 2014, at 6:45 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2014-07-18 18:45:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until July 7.
snscompt1 is V/LA until July 7.

[snscompt1]

mykonian (7) - Justin Playfair, roflcopter

, Dannflor,

4nxi3ty

, Natirasha,

RedCoyote, Nobody Special
roflcopter (2)

- Wolfy,

mykonian

Dannflor (1) -

MafiaSSK

Natirasha (1) -

iamsteve

Not Voting (2) - zabriel, Quilford

I excluded myself to be fair from everyone elses perspective.

MafiaSSK (5) - 4nxi3ty

, Quilford, zabriel,

Nobody Special

, bjc

IceGuy (1)

- Natirasha
Natirasha (1) -

RedCoyote

Nobody Special (1) - MafiaSSK

Not Voting (3) -

Justin Playfair,

IceGuy

, Wolfy

RedCoyote (5)

- bjc, snscompt1, Natirasha,

Justin Playfair

, Quilford
bjc (3) -

PrivateI

,

IceGuy,

RedCoyote

Not Voting (1) - Wolfy

IceGuy (4)

- bjc, snscompt1, Natirasha,

Salamence20

Not Voting (3) -

IceGuy

, Quilford, Wolfy

[snscompt1]

Unless absolutely no scum were on the first wagon, at least one of Nati and bjc have to be scum.

Wolfy isn't voting a lot of the time which worries me.

I don't know yet. Still looking over some things.

[snscompt1]

Hm. Based on the votes my slot is the scummiest. Oh deary me.

[Natirasha]

I'm thinking bjc-Wolfy atm.

[Natirasha]

UNVOTE: RedCoyote taken at face value for now.

the case being made against Dannflor is bizarre to say the least.
Dannflor looks very town to me and I don't like cases being pushed like this for stuff that happened in RVS.
...but it did get us out of RVS so meh.

-------------------------------------------------

VOTE: MafiaSSK
didn't like the reaction in 37 and I need to have a vote down somewhere

the case being made against Dannflor is bizarre to say the least.
Dannflor looks very town to me and I don't like cases being pushed like this for stuff that happened in RVS.
...but it did get us out of RVS so meh.

"Bizarre"? How so? I think mykonian's being very clear. I mean, you can disagree with him, as SSK has done, but you dismissing this line of questioning as bizarre without elaborating isn't very townie.

mykonian's case on Dannflor is very clear - I think you're scum because you are asking questions and when I ask you why I am not happy with your answer because it's "standard".
The meta case is non-existent - Dannflor has never played (at least on this site and under that name) a game as standard scum.
It's the rationale behind the case I find bizarre and the push now for a quick lynch.
I'm not reading mykonian as scum - but I'm not going to follow what seems like bizarre logic to me to policy lynch somebody D1 because he gives standard answers.

@mykonian
I sort of see what you mean - I've only had a quick look at 3 of his completed games.
He doesn't appear to see day 2 very often whatever his alignment...

@Dannflor
Can you add anything here? (Apart from being away for a while).
Do you feel you are more active in this game? Are you being more careful? Do you really think that your RVS vote 9 is really valid? Did you just get lucky with the random vote and pick scum?

I'm getting bad vibes from Wolfy. His posts seem to be right on the fence, like he doesn't want to commit to having an actual read on me. Stop fence-sitting. I don't think meta and my responses to your questions could really affect your read on me that much. You've been saying I'm probably town, but you keep mentioning how you might jump on the wagon if you think about it enough. It just doesn't feel right to me.

Not fence sitting - mind changing

"I am now re-evaluating my read"

You may stick with the same reads all game. I adjust mine as new information comes in. Read has moved into the leaning scum category.
I take it all your reads are completely one side of the fence or the other?
Let's have them then...

@Dannflor
Chill man. My vote isn't on you. You're not the main wagon anymore. I'm still on the same wagon as you.
So I

lean

scum on you now. That could change again over the game. My now read isn't forever.

Wolfy interacts with Dannflor quite a bit early game.

[Natirasha]

(I don't mean that as proof of scumbuddies, but more of here's some reading material)

[Wolfy]

Hey Wolfy, I am interested in from how you went from sns scum to sns town. Because you were going in pretty hard on sns for a bit and now he seems to be your top town read.

interactions during the iceguy lynch

Unless absolutely no scum were on the first wagon, at least one of Nati and bjc have to be scum.

that's what i said

Wolfy isn't voting a lot of the time which worries me.

You mean I didn't vote for the two lynches on obvtown guys?
I was very wary of the speed of the iceguy wagon - didn't have a read and didn't want to give scum the quick hammer opportunity if he was town.

Hm. Based on the votes my slot is the scummiest. Oh deary me.

I don't want to flip my read again - stay town.

[snscompt1]

Hm. Everyone is trying to sway me except Quilford. Probably because scum knows Im town and my vote could change in their favor. Interesting. I will not be taking a gamble this time around.

Wolfy, what bothers me is that you werent voting

anyone.

Maybe the lynches were obvtown to you but what about your scum reads? You werent voting anyone. Its just odd. Im not saying its scummy, it just doesnt make sense to me. Out of bjc and Nati Im probably going to go with a lynch on one of them. Probably.

Im still busy, but please no one do anything stupid.

[snscompt1]

Looking back at iamsteve, he pushes the entire game for a lynch on Nati. This is either hardcore bussing or this proves Nati as town. Hummana hummana.

[Wolfy]

been doing some re-reading.

1. Was such a long time ago when I was called out for saying that the case being made on Dannflor was bizarre.
On a re-read, it's still bizarre. dannflor was townie as fuck. Even if I flipped briefly to leaning scum on him.
Then I realise that bjc replaced into that slot.

2. I'm pretty crap at getting reads on people but I know there have been some good players in this game.
RC read bjc as town, RC read Nati as scum, Sala read Nati as scum

3. the day 1 interactions between Nati and iamsteve day 1 look like scum buddy distancing to me now

4. 240 - the scum team together. Can we get a photo?

I'm prepared to let this play out a bit further.
I'm confident that there's scum in {quilford, bjc}. I've already stated that i think there's scum in {Nati, bjc}
Despite the common factor, I'm leaning at the moment to a Nati/Quil scum team (but it could still be Nati/bjc argh!)

[Wolfy]

Looking back at iamsteve, he pushes the entire game for a lynch on Nati. This is either hardcore bussing or this proves Nati as town. Hummana hummana.

3. the day 1 interactions between Nati and iamsteve day 1 look like scum buddy distancing to me now

Interesting...